Never thought I'd post on here but males on female hospital wards. Wtf

from link above

Daily Mail
'Trans woman, 54, who used public Wi-Fi to access child porn from hospital bed is jailed for nine months after police find hoard of 80,000 images on laptop - as authorities decide whether to send her to male or female prison'
By Amie Gordon For Mailonline
14 Jul 2020
(extract)
"A trans woman who amassed a 'vast' library of 80,000 child sexual abuse images over a 14 year-period has been jailed for nine months - as authorities decide whether to send her to male or female prison.

Paedophile Julie Marshall, 54, was caught after accessing the images from her hospital bed using public Wi-Fi while recovering from a heart attack in August 2017, Preston Crown Court heard.

Marshall, who had no previous convictions, pleaded guilty in February to three counts of making indecent images of children by downloading them from the internet between June 2004 and April 2018.

They included 677 category A images at the most serious end of the scale, 465 category B images and 79,958 category C images." (continues)

Passing sentence Judge Simon Newell said: 'The images are vast in number.

'The crown assert that the aggravating features are the period of time over which downloading took place - 14 years - and the amount of images and to some extent the ages of the children involved, though again it appears the bulk of interest seems to be in girls aged 15 or teenage girls." (continues)

Marshall was jailed for nine months for the category A images, six months for the category B images and four months for the category C images, with all sentences to run concurrently.

She was also given a 10-year notification order to sign the sex offenders register and a six-year sexual harm prevention order."
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8521787/amp/Paedophile-54-used-public-Wi-Fi-download-child-porn-hospital.html

Was Marshall accessing child sexual abuse whilst on a female ward?

ibid. Telegraph

(extract)
However, the policies have been put in place despite an order from the Department of Health that hospitals have to provide single-sex wards.

Medical staff have warned that the guidance documents put them in breach of their code of conduct and leave the most vulnerable at risk.

Staff are now too scared to raise safeguarding issues, with reports of nurses who have spoken up having lost their jobs.

Doctors say that self-identification is particularly an issue on mental health wards, where patients may be suffering delusions, and which are locked so patients cannot leave. Allegations of rape on one such unit have been made.

One nurse told The Telegraph that risk assessments of patients, including those with a known history of sexual offences, do not take place as staff are too busy.

“In-patients are often frail, elderly and confused and we as nurses have a duty to protect them,” she said.

“They are not being safeguarded and they are not getting the dignity and the privacy they deserve.

“The public believe that we have single-sex spaces for our most vulnerable, our mothers, our grandmothers, but it is simply not true. NHS wards are replicating what is happening in jails.”

She said that one mental health trust says patients expressing discomfort “could result in seclusion and long-term segregation”. (continues)

Nice, I had forgotten about the transwoman who was caught accessing child sex abuse from her hospital bed. Very ladylike.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8521787/amp/Paedophile-54-used-public-Wi-Fi-download-child-porn-hospital.html?__twitter_impression=true

Ewan Somerville via Twitter
"Exc: Male-born sex offenders who identify as women can be placed on female-only NHS wards, hospital trusts have said in guidance

Medical staff say they fear speaking out about patient safety risks

More on front page & p4"

twitter.com/ewansomerville/status/1422307544802938885

@Abitofalark

I am afraid it is in many of the main papers….

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ebb83282-f3e8-11eb-8f01-2c678acbb979?shareToken=63b3da9aa8851dc86d2dcdb3f5d404e7

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9854261/Convicts-born-male-identify-female-placed-women-wards.html

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/08/02/safety-fears-patients-nhs-allows-trans-sex-offenders-female/

Who wrote that? It reads to me like a personal opinion such as you might find in a piece by a columnist. If it's just an individual's opinion it's of no greater weight than my own, which happens to be different. I do hope it's not a leading article with the stamp of the newspaper's own authority.

Telegraph
Safety fears for patients as NHS allows trans sex offenders in female-only wards

People should be admitted based on the gender they identify with and can choose which shower and toilet facilities they use, says guidance

By
Hayley Dixon,
SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT and
Ewan Somerville
2 August 2021 • 9:30pm
"Male-born sex offenders who self-identify as women can be placed on female-only NHS wards, hospital trusts have said in guidance.

Devon, Oxford and Nottinghamshire hospitals all tell staff that a criminal history should be part of a risk assessment when placing male-born people on female-only wards, but do not say it is a bar to admission.

It comes as The Telegraph has found that NHS Trusts across the country have issued guidance that says patients should be admitted based on the gender they identify with and therefore can choose which ward, toilets and shower facilities they use.

Some trusts have labelled those who express discomfort as transphobic, compared them to racists in official guidelines and ordered staff to report them to police for hate crimes.

Until 2019, one hospital group instructed medics to withdraw treatment if a female patient refused to accept a physically intact male on women-only wards.

Oxford Health NHS Foundation Trust notes that the “risk of sexual offending in a trans context is very rare”, adding that where there is “significant risk” staff would “apply the same robust mitigation that we would to a non-trans patient to ensure a safe therapeutic environment”. (continues)
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/08/02/safety-fears-patients-nhs-allows-trans-sex-offenders-female/

OP: I've read a report in the times today that says if a female does not want to be next to a trans person then they should be treated as a racist would.

Who wrote that? It reads to me like a personal opinion such as you might find in a piece by a columnist. If it's just an individual's opinion it's of no greater weight than my own, which happens to be different. I do hope it's not a leading article with the stamp of the newspaper's own authority.

@vargus but you’re vulnerable sick - medicated - you maybe can’t advocate for yourself !!!! You’re a sitting duck

@R0wantrees
A sex offender is a rapist who’s not been caught yet…. Or escalated

Safeguarding has gone in the bin to satisfy the feelings of gender dysphoric men. It is sickening. If they put a male-bodied person in with me or any female family member I would raise holy hell. And so would my DH and any person with an ounce of sense.

Times
(extract)
"Male-born sex offenders who identify as women can be treated on female-only NHS wards after a risk assessment, some hospital trusts have told staff.

Devon, Oxford and Nottinghamshire hospitals have said that a criminal history should be part of an assessment when placing trans patients but that it should not prevent admission in all cases."
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trans-sex-offenders-can-go-on-womens-wards-hospitals-advise-0fmbhm3bn

It is really important to understand is that "sex offender" is not the same thing as "rapist". Most sex offenders, particularly since rape convictions are so low, will be exhibitionists/flashers or voyeurs or possessors of illegal porn/child abuse. THOSE are potentially some of the male patients they're putting in with what are mostly elderly, vulnerable women on medical wards. Paraphiliac adult males with convictions for flashing or voyeurism. A hospital ward is literally their most wished for offending environment.

If the police are now recognising that for the most dangerous of men, flashing or voyeurism must be taken seriously, why are the NHS and other Care providers ignoring/downplaying this potential risk in spaces where women are at their most vulnerable?

Times
'After Sarah Everard’s murder, police must take flashing more seriously'
(extract)
"Police will be told to take offences such as indecent exposure and street harassment more seriously in the wake of Sarah Everard’s murder.

Wayne Couzens, a serving firearms officer, abducted the 33-year-old as she walked home in south London in March. Her body was found 50 miles away in woodland in Kent after a search lasting a week. Couzens pleaded guilty to her murder on Friday, having already admitted rape and kidnapping.

It has since emerged that officers were warned about Couzens, 48, six years earlier. In 2015 a male motorist reported Couzens for driving naked from the waist down, while days before Everard’s disappearance he is alleged to have exposed himself to a female staff member at a McDonald’s restaurant." (continues)
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/after-sarah-everards-murder-police-must-take-flashing-more-seriously-hth2cwc8k

theathletic.com/2704711/2021/07/15/this-is-what-you-endure-watching-england-as-a-woman-misogyny-sexism-and-the-constant-fear-of-being-touched-without-consent/

If handing over a patient who may not have been born female – THIS SHOULD NOT BE DISCLOSED. Under the Data Protection Act we are not to disclose gender history UNLESS it has a direct impact on their care (fully document this). Ask yourself, Do I NEED to disclose this? Obviously with patient permission this is OK, but it is advisable to get the permission in writing.

Just imagine if there was guidance that stated :

If handing over a patient who may have Covid19 – THIS SHOULD NOT BE DISCLOSED. Under the Data Protection Act we are not to disclose medical history UNLESS it has a direct impact on their care (fully document this). Ask yourself, Do I NEED to disclosethis? Obviously with patient permission this is OK, but it is advisable to get the permission in writing.

I wonder why this doesn’t happen? Could it be that not disclosing a patient’s Covid status could cause harm to the other patients?

It's just more gaslighting to say that GDPR means that a trans person's sex must never be disclosed.

This infuriates and scares me in equal measure. The preposterous argument that a woman objecting to a male patient on a female ward is the same as a racist can be easily dispensed with by saying skin colour is superficial difference whereas sex is a profound difference. Not that gender ideologues would buy that as they don't believe in sex anyway.

It has been a political decision not to invoke the relevant part of the Equality Act 2010 (to be found under Paragraph 27, Part 7, Schedule 3 of the act). As an example, the act talks about it being legal to exclude a TW from a domestic violence group for women as the women may find it difficult to talk freely around said TW.

Now, if that exception can be legitimately invoked, why do hospitals not invoke it when women are extremely vulnerable in hospital? Lack of political will, occasioned by fear, is my guess. Any woman knowing she's going into hospital would be well advised to print up a copy of the relevant bit to show them. Never forget hospitals abide by Stonewall Law.

Males r In womens prisons

Already happening dotty

Let’s have mixed prisons next. If I commit a crime I’m perfectly happy to bunk in with a male prisoner. We’re all human beings!

Actually I think I would die of fright if I had to share with any unknown man, even if he were in for tax fraud.

Exactly JKR.

This will take us back to women being unable to enter the workplace , the public sphere, and medical.care.

And this is supoosed to be progressive.

We as women are expected to police and manage our immediate environment - allowing a man who harms us into our space we are usually held as responsible for what those men then do to us…
Ie. Rape victims
Why did you chat to him?
Why did you accept the drink ?
Etc etc

When a predatory man gains access to women spaces they regard that as consent and our society and courts fucking agree with him.

Now our government is forcing us to be in spaces with men when we don’t want them there. How am I supposed to keep myself safe ?

Today, I emailed Liz Truss to draw her attention to a Times article about this subject which had over 900 comments (all good). Because I live in Wales and the Welsh Government has totally lost the plot, it was pretty pointless contacting my own MP. I have no idea whether or not I will get a reply, but at least, I tried.

How did we get to such a place that the NHS would blatantly argue for the rights of rapists and paedophiles to be placed on hospital wards with women? At one time anyone with that level of predatory disordered thinking would be viewed with great suspicion and be got rid of.
Now the NHS welcomes those with these dangerous views and gives them power and influence. And politicians are so scared of those with these disgraceful, dangerous views that they daren't speak out.

The thread below provides background.

AngryAttackKittens wrote Thu 03-Jan-19,
"I'm going to point every "but the nice, harmless old school transsexuals whose movement has been unfairly appropriated by the nasty transgender people" person to this thread from now on.

All the same elements we're seeing now were there in that old BBC roundtable from the 70s with the 4 transwomen, the politician, and the doctor. None of this is new."
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3463920-Lets-go-back-to-2007

Rosesareredd

I don't need you to reply to me, but I would like you to read this newspaper article.

A judge has criticised a Cork hospital after hearing that a teenage girl undergoing treatment for life-threatening injuries was sexually assaulted by a 63-year-old male patient with whom she was sharing a ward.

Cork Circuit Criminal Court was told that the assault on the17-year-old girl at Cork University Hospital (CUH) by Andrew O'Donovan from Butlersgift, Drimoleague, was only interrupted because his heart monitor began to accelerate.

A nurse spotted the change in the monitor reading and went to the ward to investigate.

O'Donovan pleaded guilty to sexually assaulting the teenager on 14 May 2018.

Judge Seán Ó Donnabháin heard that the girl had sustained life-threatening injuries and was being treated in CUH.

She was admitted to a ward, which also contained three adult men.

O'Donovanapproached the girl in the early hours of 14 May2018 and sexually assaulted her while she lay in bed.

JudgeÓ Donnabhain questioned the management of the ward system at CUH.

Specifically he queried a system that allowed a young girl to be placed in close proximity to a man with serious mental health issues spanning several decades.

He said that it was "a very, very troubling case".

The judge said: "You have to question the management of the ward system at CUH that allowed a young girl to be placed in close proximity to a man who was known to have a history of schizophrenic tendencies and a long psychiatric history."

He said the hospital management and supervision involved had to be queried and thatmanagement needed to "buck up".

Continues: www.rte.ie/news/2020/0211/1114676-girl-sexually-assaulted/

GiantToadstool The majority of the public are unaware. They will not tolerate being lied to by NHS and successive governments since 2010. We are not however helpless, do raise concerns with your MP and local hospital trust.

How did we get to such a place that the NHS would blatantly argue for the rights of rapists and paedophiles to be placed on hospital wards with women? At one time anyone with that level of predatory disordered thinking would be viewed with great suspicion and be got rid of.
Now the NHS welcomes those with these dangerous views and gives them power and influence. And politicians are so scared of those with these disgraceful, dangerous views that they daren't speak out.

Who'd have thought that NHS staff would be holding open the door to a women's hospital ward to the likes of Karen White and saying "welcome"