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Telegraph - Patient safety fears as NHS allows trans sex offenders in female-only wards

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OvaHere · 03/08/2021 00:08

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/08/02/safety-fears-patients-nhs-allows-trans-sex-offenders-female/

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Good but horrifying article about NHS guidelines that not only put women at risk but also champion the adoption of very draconian, punitive measures aimed at women and/or staff who raise concerns or complain.

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5zeds · 03/08/2021 02:16

Well that’s stupid

StrangeLookingParasite · 03/08/2021 01:57

This is actually nauseating.

a number of them order medics to call the police and report a hate crime if patients do not accept another person’s gender identity.

NiceGerbil · 03/08/2021 01:35

'It also shows that the Equality Act is not fit for purpose. It does nothing to protect women'

It is pretty fine tbh.

Problem is there's been a campaign of misinformation.

EA says that if good reason then blanket rule of male/ female only is AOK.

Loads of effort has been put into telling a massive number of orgs that it can only be done at individual level. So risk assess each person who comes along who is opposite sex.

The part quoted on this thread shows that in action. And it's a big thing right?

Blanket rule- no males. Straightforward.

By individual. Careful risk assessment. Detail. Justification for decision. Paperwork. Responsibility. What if they get it wrong? Who does it? I'd guess HCPs. This is not their job. Their area. How much info do they have? How on earth would they make that judgement? What if their decision is challenged? I mean it's a minefield. And a big overhead for already overworked people.

I notice that s lot of best practices and things everyone should do, do not seem to have any consideration about how it works in real life. And that's before you even get to the conversation about the nuts and bolts. Why it's happening in the first place.

NiceGerbil · 03/08/2021 01:26

Melrose

I haven't checked but the telegraph presumably have. And it seems to be part of the policy specifically.

Which must mean

There's enough instances for it to warrant a specific mention in the guidance

Or, they think it could be in the future

Or, they felt it was important enough that it should be in the guidance

Dunno.

Those in prison, young offenders units, do go to hosp if injured and it's sadly there's a lot of violence and self harm in the male estate plus maybe serious situations from drugs.

If it's a trust with a hosp near s big prison it might be fairly common.

My mum worked in a hosp no prisons near here and got people from prison in.

I suppose they need the same things as anyone else that may involve overnight or more. Surgery etc.

Fallingirl · 03/08/2021 00:44

Once again, we have the issue that policy makers only think about sexual assaults as the potential problem with this.

Women surely do still have the human right to privacy and dignity, as well as safety.

I think it was established by one of the cases this year (was it Ann Sinnott’s, or the prison case?), that we are not going to get any of this changed via judicial review, but we may if we get a test case by someone who has been harmed as a result of of one of these policies.

They would then have to sue for damages on an individual basis, but that might lead to changes in policies. Presumably, we need to make them fear a tsunami of claims.

It also shows that the Equality Act is not fit for purpose. It does nothing to protect women. We really need to get campaigning for a separate act, to afford women the right to single sex spaces.

CharlotteRose90 · 03/08/2021 00:42

Oh for gods sake. No way do they belong on a female ward. If anything people like that need their own room. I would discharge myself if I found out.

theThreeofWeevils · 03/08/2021 00:39

But assaults on women in 'therapeutic enviroments' as a direct result of these policies, that should read.

theThreeofWeevils · 03/08/2021 00:37

It is beginning to feel - and look - like a concerted attack. The risks are so blindingly obvious.
But assaults on women in 'therapeutic enviroments' - and it is only a matter of time before they happen - might create more public revulsion than the scandals from the prison estate have done. A lot of people who don't care about prisoners will worry about their female relatives in hospital. Won't they?

Melroses · 03/08/2021 00:33

Unless the patient is currently prisoner receiving care in an NHS facility, how are the NHS supposed to know of the existence of sexual offences or domestic violence offences offending in order to carry out any of these 'risk assessments' ?

Chickenyhead · 03/08/2021 00:30

Oh great. How far does this need to go before anyone engages their brain.

Cannot get much more vulnerable than being in hospital

NCwhatsmynameagain · 03/08/2021 00:14

This is horrifying. We are effectively doing away with sex based spaces for women altogether, yet the reasons for all of them remain exactly the same as before!