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Radio 4 just now! Re trans weightlifter

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GiantToadstool · 02/08/2021 17:28

About 5.20? I think it is someone called Alison who is commenting on the olympics. Talked about horse eventing and then asked about weightlifting. Straight away said IOC need to do some research about "men who want to enter as women" , said it had been just talk of human rights without looking at impact on female sport, that Rugby did actual scientific study and found trans women to be 30%still stronger... that even the current weighlifter is 13 years older than women would be able to compete.

Just brilliant! Radio 4 person did wafdly noncommital move onto next thing but I was so impressed!

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picklemewalnuts · 02/08/2021 20:08

[quote nauticant]Obviously this happened on a day when it wasn't Evan Davis presenting, today is Carolyn Quinn, and if you listened carefully she seemed to be avoiding calling Hubbard a "woman" or "she". The sports reporter was Alyson Rudd from The Times who commented about how the IOC rules were done without much regard to actual science.

Men are already angry about this on twitter:
twitter.com/PlusTovell/status/1422232632222441479
twitter.com/soundpoet/status/1422234541046042628
twitter.com/celticbro/status/1422234332014469137
twitter.com/dan_wilkes/status/1422233303621455876[/quote]
They aren't getting much support, to be fair!

SCMocha · 02/08/2021 20:01

oh that's cheering then. I don't read the sports section much either (actually don't read the Guardian at all these days, so they could in fact have changed and I wouldn't know). Glad there are some signs of sense there.

TalkingtoLangClegintheDark · 02/08/2021 19:50

Ooh that was really cheering, and fantastic about Emily Campbell! That’s an amazing result, huge congratulations to her.

RoyalCorgi · 02/08/2021 19:36

Nice piece from Sean Ingle here about Emily Campbell:

www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/aug/02/britains-emily-campbell-wins-historic-olympics-weightlifting-silver-medal

BettyFilous · 02/08/2021 19:24

I noticed Caroline Quinn ended the interview along the lines of “I look forwards to hearing more from you about the Games again tomorrow evening” and I laughed because the commentator is probably banned from R4 for wrongthink. DH said she knew what she was doing, that she was nervous but once she got started she warmed to her theme. It was not the response Carline Quinn was expecting, that’s for sure. Grin Evan Davies should have a night off more often.

Wbeezer · 02/08/2021 19:24

I heard it too, was amazed, specially the "man entering as a woman" bit!

RoyalCorgi · 02/08/2021 19:10

Actually, Sean Ingle has done some really good pieces for the Guardian on this issue. I think Kath Viner probably doesn't read the sports section so he gets away with it.

NautaOcts · 02/08/2021 19:04

Thai is great news and I really really hope the bbc don’t back track on it or apologise or anything

SCMocha · 02/08/2021 18:55

shame that he couldn't write that in the Guardian as well!

FusionChefGeoff · 02/08/2021 18:54

Radio 5 Live about 11 ish??

Floisme · 02/08/2021 18:51

Probably Sean Ingle

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GiantToadstool · 02/08/2021 18:51

Wow was that Radio 4 too? When?

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FusionChefGeoff · 02/08/2021 18:49

I also heard an amazing interview with Sean someone who is a sports journalist for the Guardian no less!! Made the following points very calmly and matter of fact - I was cheering at each one!!!

Male puberty gives big advantage regardless of testosterone
Repeatedly 'no surgery' several times
Dropped transgender early on in favour of 'people born as male'
Contextualised testosterone limits immediately against 'normal' for women
Dina Asher Smith would lose to a 15 yr old boy
It's fairness v inclusive - can't have both
Not inclusive to the women who miss out on selection as LH is there instead

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 02/08/2021 18:23

@gailforce1

Going to be interesting to see how the papers cover this tomorrow. The Daily Mail on line already have a piece detailing Hubbard's exploits I sport as a teenage boy (sorry I do not have the IT skills to share).
archive of DM story: archive.is/nJbTl
Jaysmith71 · 02/08/2021 18:16

More crap on BBC 1 news right now from Dan Roan, with people 'born into a gender category...'

gailforce1 · 02/08/2021 18:11

Going to be interesting to see how the papers cover this tomorrow. The Daily Mail on line already have a piece detailing Hubbard's exploits I sport as a teenage boy (sorry I do not have the IT skills to share).

Testingtimes1 · 02/08/2021 18:05

Brilliant! I too had a massive smile.

Lessthanaballpark · 02/08/2021 18:03

The interviewer skated over it pretty sharpish!

Lonel · 02/08/2021 18:00

Brilliant! It sounded like it wasn't what the presenter wanted to hear but it needed saying. And I think she did a good job of making it clear that the rules are at fault, not Hubbard.

OldCrone · 02/08/2021 17:54

Men are already angry about this on twitter:

Complaining that she referred to 'transwomen' as 'men who want to be women'. Isn't that the definition of a 'transwoman'? What do they think a 'transwoman' is? Do they believe in the 'born in the wrong body' nonsense?

Moorlander · 02/08/2021 17:48

I almost cheered! This has left me with a big smile on my face. So refreshing to hear someone saying it as it is. She also mentioned the negative impact on women's sport. Hurray!

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GiantToadstool · 02/08/2021 17:48

Oh yes to "actual science!"

This shouldn't be so drawdropping should it!? But was driving back from a kids drop off and was so excited.

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GiantToadstool · 02/08/2021 17:47

Thanks to those paying more attention than me 😁

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jeaux90 · 02/08/2021 17:47

Brilliant piece of reporting I loved it when she said world rugby had done some actual science Grin