Will Hubbard make people think?

GNCG - I agree. LH failed to record a successful lift & now we're being told - what's the issue? We should all 'Calm down, dear'.
This is not inclusion, this is displacement.

Anyway back to the topic,
I remember when Hubbard sprained his wrist during a previous women's weightlifting event and almost feeling disappointed.

It was a few years ago when only a small minority of people were talking about "the issue" but I remember thinking it'll only give Twitter TRAs the ability to say "see, no advantage, look LH sprained his wrist" and I was right.

Now I think LHs performance will indeed give more rise to the "see no advantage" brigade.

For goodness sake this "transwomen are vulnerable" mantra really gets tiresome.

Hubbard is a flippin obviously male person built like a bus. If I ever came across Hubbard in any woman's space I'd feel terrified and vulnerable! How does being a (rubbish) weightlifting person with a penis make you vulnerable in any way whatsoever.

Sorry it's a bit of a rant there but you get this "vulnerable" thing all the time.

First got annoyed by it after JB the transflasher at the NUS described themself as "vulnerable"... Yeah okay what about the people who unexpectedly saw your erect penis.

He was a mess performance wise.

Placed in the team to make a statement.

Then so over the top ' stereotype female distraught' when he failed.

good suggestion @Abhannmor

This clip of the female weightlifters making way for LH
mobile.twitter.com/laura92brown/status/1422211403990118400

Some people won't, no. That's why it matters to speak up, because people don't tend to pay any attention to things unless someone is cobsisyebtly bringing it up. Why do you think the TRAs flood different media with all the heart rending testimonies of transition with the emotional angle? They know to make people care you have to keep talking about it. We need to be as focused, tbh.

@InspiralCoalescenceRingdown OP surprised to hear your MIL supports males in women's sports. The Fox Killer on the subject of males in women's sports said "All are trying, with dignity and care, to adapt to a world that is not binary." The choice of words is interesting - 'dignity' to remove sex based rights. 'care' to remove women's sports. 'a world that is not binary' conflating sex and gender. Is your MIL under a spell? or not aware of the facts? god knows you don't see the facts in the BBC or the guardian.

Good article by Sean Ingle in today's Guardian. You could perhaps show it to DH and Mil. How long before Ingle is driven out I wonder? He reiterates the point about hormone levels being more or less irrelevant once you have gone through male puberty. And the young woman in Nauru who missed out .

Just seeing that male pattern baldness in a women's competition was outrageous. You only get that from testosterone! It's infuriating it won't be enough to peak people.

No, what I'm seeing in discussions elsewhere is:

(a) See, the cheater didn't win therefore cheating is fine

(b) It's Ph0BiC to say that TW have a male body

(c) Let's wrangle endlessly about LH's pronouns, to distract the discussion from the actual issue of male bodies in women's sports.

the athletes are generally slim young meeting stereotypes of attractive.

To conflate two recent feminist issues…

How long would it take for sporting authorities governing handball to allow bigger shorts if it was a cock and balls that needed to be discreetly hidden and not women’s period protection?

I think Hubbard has definitely opened some eyes. Would have opened more had we had another podium picture with two women in second and third place, heads drooping in unfair defeat.

But if the poor performance was intended to prove that including men in women’s sports was perfectly fair, they’d have done better to have chosen a young, fit candidate to lose, and persuaded them to make at least some attempt to look distressed, rather than sending a middle-aged, unfit one, who looked about as sad as Eddie the Eagle would have done after crashing out right at the beginning.

No I don't think so.

Not a prominent category- 100m or similar would get more attention.

Didn't get a medal.

This is awful but true I think- a lot of people esp men have always judged women by their looks. Really strong women often get 'looks like a man'.

If it was Wimbledon. 100m. Or a sport that is widely watched and the athletes are generally slim young meeting stereotypes of attractive. Then I think more would notice.

Harsh and horrible but that's what I think.

What did I miss?

Why am I so slow...ggggrrr

It was all planned and orchestrated and the BBC are in cahoots. I have just watched the BBC world news and the toadying is creepy.

The borg sent in LH, (so conveniently just before the IOC are due to change the rules), to throw the competition, smirk, do a head tilt and make a heart. So that the IOC can 'look for the sweetspot' (their words) instead of returning female sports to female.

I'm hoping that there's a double bluff going on and NZ have sent an unathletic middle aged bloke into the women's competition on purpose to raise awareness of how ludicrous the current regulations are, create a public outcry, and prompt the IOC and the various other sporting bodies to impose a total ban on male athletes in women's competitions.

I have always said that the MNetters who thought that LH competing would make the scales fall from everyone's eyes were being wildly optimistic. OTOH, it will have woken some people up. It helps that LH is so obviously XY.

LH is a stalking horse.

There to cause the stir and then 'prove' that males who reduce their testosterone don't have an advantage over women.

Nothing to lose, well connected millionaire family.

Next Olympics, 1/4 males will be competing against women. In 20 years, there will be no more female sport

If you can smash in a woman's skull and boast about it, yet still appear on the BBC then the men in charge either aren't listening or are enjoying causing further trauma to biological women.

I think there should be an enforced wife swap, where their biological female wives are swapped with transwomen for the foreseeable.

No. This isn't going to help. Facts are facts, you can't change sex.