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The BBC has quoted Fallon Fox

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PamDenick · 02/08/2021 10:14

Just watching BBC news. They interviewed Fallon Fox who stated that there is no scientific advantage for a transitioned mtf athlete in women’s sports!
This is just so wrong!

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FloralBunting · 02/08/2021 15:54

@TheMarzipanDildo

"Sounds pretty dehumanising, that it's about sex not about feelings."

Funny how the people who come out with this nonsense don’t give a single shit about the feelings of female athletes Angry

Well, quite.

Not exactly clear how a young girl would have watched the weightlifting and felt inspired to join in because an out of shape male in his forties was able to take the place of a woman in the Olympic competition.

But who cares about her, eh?

JoantheVampireSlayer · 02/08/2021 15:49

Thank you cariadlet Flowers

TheMarzipanDildo · 02/08/2021 15:48

"Sounds pretty dehumanising, that it's about sex not about feelings."

Funny how the people who come out with this nonsense don’t give a single shit about the feelings of female athletes Angry

allmywhat · 02/08/2021 15:39

Worth mentioning that Fox fought and injured Tamikka Brents without telling her that she was going to fight a “trans woman.”

So this is not just a case of “it’s MMA, skull fractures happen.” Brents didn’t have the information to consent to that fight.

Jaysmith71 · 02/08/2021 15:38

Maybe it's been filed in the same place where they 'lost' the pictures of Boris Johnson drunk and hungover at the Cenotaph in 2019?

JoodyBlue · 02/08/2021 15:36

The 10 am BBC news episode is not now available on iPlayer I wonder why not, the 9am version is still there

andyoldlabour · 02/08/2021 15:33

We can look back on this and say, this is the day when the BBC flushed its reputation down the toilet of wokeism.

cariadlet · 02/08/2021 15:25

@JoantheVampireSlayer

Would anybody mind messaging me the complaint they made to the BBC regarding FF so that I can complain too? I'm livid but I'm really not well at the moment so can't write a complaint myself. Thanks so much.
I made 2 complaints. Here's my complaint about the fuller report:

I initially thought that this was going to be a balanced report as it included an interview with Dr Nicola Williams from Fair Play for Women. However, the presenter then went straight to the next interviewer and asked, "What do you make of that, it sounds pretty dehumanising."

That was an unacceptable show of bias and a complete misrepresentation of Nicola Williams who had been very respectful eg by not using male pronouns when referring to Laurel Hubbard and by saying that she thought that it was great for trans and non-binary athletes to compete in the Olympics (provided they were in the correct category for their sex).

I felt that the 2nd interviewee, who clearly didn't know any details about the scientific research which the IOC says justifies the inclusion of transwomen in women's sports, was not challenged at all. The 2nd interviewee based their arguments on feelings rather than facts, which they are entitled to do, but it is the job of an impartial presenter to make it clear to the viewer that this is what is happening and also to challenge statements which are not backed up with any evidence. 

I complained about bias for that one.

Here's my complaint about FF:

I was absolutely shocked to see the BBC showing an interview with Fallon Fox, the former MMA fighter, on the news this morning. This is a person who has tweeted: "For the record, I knocked two out. One woman's skull was fractured, the other not. And just so you know, I enjoyed it. See, I love smacking up TERFs in the cage who talk transphobic nonsense. It's bliss!"

Fox gave Tamikka Brents a concussion and a skull fracture which required several staples. These injuries were inflicted in the first round, in just two minutes.

Tamikka said of the fight: I’ve fought a lot of women and have never felt the strength that I felt in a fight as I did that night. I can’t answer whether it’s because she was born a man or not because I’m not a doctor. I can only say, I’ve never felt so overpowered ever in my life and I am an abnormally strong female in my own right. Her grip was different, I could usually move around in the clinch against other females but couldn’t move at all in Fox’s clinch.

I am horrified that the BBC thinks that it is appropriate to uncritically broadcast the views of such a violent misogynist. 

I think that I complained about that on the basis of offence but I'm not 100% sure.

JoantheVampireSlayer · 02/08/2021 15:16

Would anybody mind messaging me the complaint they made to the BBC regarding FF so that I can complain too?
I'm livid but I'm really not well at the moment so can't write a complaint myself.
Thanks so much.

BaronMunchausen · 02/08/2021 14:52

@Jaysmith71

BBC News Channel, 10.00 - 11.00 segment on the iplayer.
Thanks. It doesn't seem to be available right now on the iPlayer? www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/guide/bbctwo
Jaysmith71 · 02/08/2021 14:49

BBC News Channel, 10.00 - 11.00 segment on the iplayer.

BaronMunchausen · 02/08/2021 14:47

What time and programme was the Fritz/Washington exchange?

Was it BBC News bulletin - on the News Channel or BBC2?

BridgeOfLies · 02/08/2021 14:47

Here's the link to the BBC complaints process: www.bbc.co.uk/contact/complaints

Yousexybugger · 02/08/2021 14:39

Complaint sent

QuarantineQueen · 02/08/2021 14:26

I've complained. Please everyone complain and let the BBC know that we won't stand for this.

highame · 02/08/2021 14:11

My guess is the BBC doesn't care. All this will be aired, they will then uphold the complaint, after months by which time it will no longer matter.

We are either watching the end of women's sport, or the beginning of fairness - any guess as to what will happen?

LizzieSiddal · 02/08/2021 13:56

Sky News just had a Swedish Professor on who stated nothing can get rid of the advantage men have, once they’ve gone through puberty. It was on around 10 mins ago.

Sorry I didn’t get a chance to watch anymore, just caught that bit.

QuarantineQueen · 02/08/2021 13:52

This is making me rage. Where do I complain?

Ninkanink · 02/08/2021 13:27

@hella ah sorry that was a STUPID auto ‘incorrect’! Sorry for tagging you!

beastlyslumber · 02/08/2021 13:25

Fucking hell. I'm so appalled. I don't know what to say. This is horrible.

BridgeOfLies · 02/08/2021 13:07

I've submitted my complaint too, on 2 counts. Bias by a presenter, and interviewing Fallon Fox for an opinion (I quoted that tweet by FF, so thank you for that).

FemaleAndLearning · 02/08/2021 12:55

And will they stop saying it is complex! It is not complex.
Female BBC reporter saying (end of session on BBC1 before lunchtime news) that the situation is complex and that Laurel Hubbard has met all the criteria and her hormone levels are the 'correct level'.
What they don't tell you is that his levels are still normal for a male and not on par with female testosterone which are much, much lower.

AmericanSlang · 02/08/2021 12:54

This is MMA fighter Fallon Fox, who identifies as a trans woman, fighting Tamikka Brents.

Brents suffered a concussion and a fractured skull and had to receive 7 staples to the head.

Last year Fox tweeted, "I enjoyed it. I love smacking up [TERFs] in the cage." t.co/YeweDdxTko

This Fallon Fox, who boasts about physically assaulting women & enjoying it? Wtf is happening at the BBC? Today they have also tweeted out a piece of absolute propaganda on Hubbard followed by an attempt at suppressing dissenting opinion worthy of North Korea. I have supported & defended the license fee my entire adult life, no more - the BBC are a disgrace to journalism

Ohsugarhoneyicetea · 02/08/2021 12:51

The woman who has her head cracked open by Fox didn't even know she was competing against a male. That should be criminal.

Payfrozen · 02/08/2021 12:39

Radio 4’s coverage this morning was better. The male sports correspondent said something like
“LH is 43 and not a very good weightlifter but the issues are much wider... “