BBC prepared to block/report Twitter users for 'hate' after being called out on Hubbard reporting.

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If transphobes' are really that upset about being blocked on social media, it's probably best they are so they can witter away to themselves without inconveniencing anyone else with their lies.

I'm glad they're taking the bullshit Laurel is facing seriously, she deserved much better than this. I'm also glad they'll be getting the police involved- too fucking right they should

Best of luck to her!

Why are you a male supremacist, out of curiosity?

Isn’t it amazing how all the positive media for this cheat are labelling him as making history for trans people, whilst ignoring the 2 non binary females who have been competing already. It’s almost like this whole movement is male supremacy under a new name….

Maybe they have come under less scrutiny because being a non binary athlete doesn't necessarily mean you have the physiological advantages that come with male puberty. Similarly, BMX cycling or skateboarding aren't really that different to equestrian events where the horse is doing the physical work and men and women compete equally.

Unlike many people on this board, I believe that arrangements for transgender athletes should be made on a sport by sport basis. In the case of weightlifting, men do have huge advantages over women.

Can you clarify: are you saying that in sport where there is male advantage you would segregate by sex, whereas in sport where there is no male advantage you would segregate by gender? What's the justification for segregation in the latter case?

I am a very tall woman, with a correspondingly large build. I’m not a little bit male as a consequence, and it’s taken me half a bloody century to fight down that niggling internal sense of “tall=unfeminine”. Plus, I know to my cost that tall and strong as I am, a smaller man can still overpower me.

It infuriates me that this is being given airtime and is being used as a way of blurring lines between groups we know perfectly well are in fact distinct.

Cowardice.

Even Reddit isn't gung-ho for transwomen in women's sport: www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/ovrvm9/whats_your_view_on_transgender_athletes_competing/

In sports where sex is not an advantage, like dressage, there just aren't categories for men and women.

Similarly, BMX cycling or skateboarding aren't really that different to equestrian events where the horse is doing the physical work and men and women compete equally.

I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of these events.

It's such a bad article!

They atleast quote Ross Tucker, but then quote Harper

In weightlifting we divide the categories into weight, so we don't have big weightlifters competing against little weightlifters. If you look at the women that Laurel Hubbard is competing against, they're all very large women.

This is so disingenuous. None of them are as big as Hubbard. The maximum weight class for women is 87kg, but Hubbard would qualify for a higher weight category if competing as a man and therefore need to lift heavier weights to qualify. That class just doesn't exist for women.

I really want somebody to ask Budgett how he is planning to include trans men, and whether they should get a head start in qualifying events to be inclusive.

BBC is a national broadcasting company. Surely to God they don't really, honestly think most people subscribe to transgenderism? To the point of threatening legal action for those who disagree??

That's almost more worrying than anything else. They're meant to have their finger vaguely on the pulse, not up their arse.

As a general point, my understanding from the children of family friends is that NB is becoming a complex space as there are differences between people who:
adopt a pronoun;
adopt a pronoun and declare the self as male-presenting/female-presenting (may or may not be consonant with birth sex);
adopt a pronoun but pursue a path of surgical removal of secondary sex markers.

I suspect that it would be helpful to have data on all of those, but particularly the final group and the degree and nature of the surgical intervention involved.

As an aside, so many on that thread saying 'why can Hubbard compete when Semenya - a woman - cant?'

[Facepalm]

the phrase 'social moderation' included the BBC email address [email protected] on the BBC website Social media trolls: BBC Sport strengthens stance against hateful messages ...brings to mind 'dogma compliance', 'purity checking', 'queer theory thought police', 'witch reporting' among others in the BBC's social and psychological control of the narrative

I can say whatever I like providing it conforms to the board guidelines. Observed at birth is more accurate but I was trying to find a respectful way of distinguishing between transgender athletes who have not undergone any hormonal treatment and those who have.

If you want to police my language, then I don't consider it polite to use female and she in reference to Quinn.

Similarly, BMX cycling or skateboarding aren't really that different to equestrian events where the horse is doing the physical work and men and women compete equally.

This sounds so ill-informed TBH. You need to review last weekend’s street skateboarding event finals scores. The men and women were scored against the same marking criteria using the same competition format and the women’s scores (and medal-winning scores) were much, much lower than the men's despite being peers in world ranking etc. The men had a massive strength and cardiovascular advantage in terms of covering the course and getting height on the rails etc for their tricks and it showed in the scoring.

[quote Mrsjamin]@nettie434 there's no way you actually watched the BMX or skateboarding events - the abilities of males and females is dramatically different!! There are pretty much no sports that don't have a marked significant difference between men and women. No 'sport by sport' rule is needed.[/quote]
Agreed - the difference in muscle twitch fibres and the ability to lay down explosive force make a huge difference in accelerating, gaining greater air height and being able to pull off the spectacular and complex tricks for the sports that were mentioned. It's certainly not the vehicle doing the hard work but very much the power and control of the person using it.

Plus, injury recovery is very different and can have different consequences. etc. etc.

Not going well for the BBC there. Shame.

@nettie434 there's no way you actually watched the BMX or skateboarding events - the abilities of males and females is dramatically different!! There are pretty much no sports that don't have a marked significant difference between men and women. No 'sport by sport' rule is needed.

Autocomplete added that space there, btw.

Quinn played on the women's team, I believe. There was a Canadian archer too, who is a trans woman.

Quinn calls herself nonbinary, is female and is competing in the womens section - i.e. not worth talking about. Also please don't say 'assigned female at birth'. People's sex is observed at birth, there's no assigning needed.

Complaint submitted. They cannot get away with this.