R4 today covering LH now and later

Oh I missed it! But then I am banned from discussing it in the house though...

Though we are moving forward. Just 12 months ago, BBC would have taken down all those comments.

Someone here said that "be kind" really meant "be quiet" and I agree with them completely. me too but we're way past that now

Dr Nic Williams was needed in this discussion. Clarity, truth and facts in response to Joanna Harper.

I just caught the end of it - after the interview, the female Radio 5 presenter quickly butted in with the UK entrant's 'be kind' message. Did they think about being kind to the women who were denied a place on the team because of Hubbard? The UK entrant is not considered a medal contender by the way!

I'm sick of being told to be kind. The interview frustrated me and I felt Emma Hilton had to be very careful with what she said.

We were told "at the end of the day, Laurel is an individual who has been under immense pressure" along with exhortations to be kind. Someone here said that "be kind" really meant "be quiet" and I agree with them completely.

Just as we all said - the Olympics are showcasing the dystopian future for women's sport. Judging by the public reaction, they understand the issues and the demands to "be kind" are having less and less influence.

BBC Olympics coverage on website is highlighting Laurel as "first openly transgender athlete" to compete. Is that because the archer the other day didn't mention it and the footballer doesn't count for some reason?

Interesting replies to this tweet.

twitter.com/bbcsport/status/1421893701031301124?s=21

Bbc getting this in early

twitter.com/bbcsport/status/1421893701031301124?s=21

I.e. we will not respond & block anyone who points out Hubbard is male

YET AGAIN no women asking or answering the questions, ffs.

Discussing with Emma Hilton and Joanna Harper on R5 now.

This mushing of sex and gender for our delicate ears is maddening and is exploited by trans extremist activists.
There are powerful trans voices like Scott Nugent trying to stop people falling for this horseshit

Why do we not hear from women on this.. in the words of Ruth Bader Ginsburg 'Women belong In places where decisions are being made". If we are not part of the discussion, the solutions cannot represent our needs.

R4 just now, "... will compete in a different gender category to the one she was born..."

Um, how about sex categories?

I wonder if the IOC and other organisations such as the BBC have had huge backlash (they're not telling us but....) and that the IOC made decisions about women without consulting women. They have now realised this is an enormous error. Don't forget, many countries will also be objecting. Given the turnaround from an IOC official saying something along the lines of of course we all know transwomen are women, to an acknowledgement that this isn't the case.

I look forward to the 'be kind' being the ultimate discussion tool coming up against reality in a very public way. Denton's must be tearing their hair out 'stealth you idiots'

My fear is that by the time the next Olympics comes around we won't even know who the transwomen athletes are. There are signs of that already. I think the time to make a fuss is now.

I'm going to take a positive from this. If you step away from the detail and listen to how people react to this, they don't like it, even if they see themselves as progressives. They don't like it because it inevitably leads to the thought "well, obviously transwomen aren't actually women".

It was amusing to listen to how Joanna Harper will deflect like mad to avoid engaging with the question "Is it fair?"

However, with a middling performance by Hubbard this is going to be brushed away for the moment. The big fuss is yet to come.

If the IOC are still using the word 'guidelines' instead of 'ban' then, as far as I'm concerned, whatever they've come up with can't be fit for purpose.

If Hubbard is "unlikely to win" this is all just about validation.

Rugby recognised the physical implications.

Trying not to be bothered by this shite.

Was a good discussion though.

I don’t have much confidence in the ‘new’ IOC guidelines due to be replaced.

JH isn’t a very good interviewer - agree the interviewer is having to work hard to get any responses out of her. I wish they wouldn’t just focus on testosterone but look at the other advantages.

USA today article has a good evidence summary too. Well, of what little there is.

Well, the whole issue relies on language being used to manipulate people into accepting one group of people to the detriment of another group - women.