Chris Chandler Mugshot

Obv off the point of the thread but personally I think our law splitting the two is right, because rape is a different thing which carries risks of std and pregnancy which assault by penetration does not. Not to minimise but they are not the same.

Turns out for the good though as the stats in the last few years are having more women convicted...

Assault by penetration carries same max term so our law is fine from that pov. (Often gets called minimising other assaults so just throwing that out there!).

Rape in loads of countries is penetration with something.

That's quite common.

England Wales , means with penis is a bit of an outlier now.

Because logic isn't part of transgender ideology. TRAs would say that women have penises too. 🙄

Chris Chandler is a transwoman, because that is what Chris says Chris is. "Acceptance without exception", says Stonewall. So Chris is a woman.
Yet Chris has admitted to raping his mother. How is this logically possible?

Erm well that's all speculation

And if involved to get them to do it, why report?

Let's wait and see eh

Agree.

I have a feeling some of the other charges will make this even worse from something I saw when looking for the laws there.

If the answer to either of those questions is 'no' then it's rape.

They're charging him with incest now because they have the evidence.

There has been mention of additional charges, which I would assume means rape, but they can't charge him with that until they have sufficient evidence. They need to establish:

1. Whether Barbara Chandler was capable of consenting to sex

2. If she was capable of consenting then did she actually consent

I mean no idea.

They also need to investigate fully I suppose and may add more charges

More-

'If any person has sexual intercourse with a complaining witness, whether or not his or her spouse, or causes a complaining witness, whether or not his or her spouse, to engage in sexual intercourse with any other person and such act is accomplished (i) against the complaining witness's will, by force, threat or intimidation of or against the complaining witness or another person; or (ii) through the use of the complaining witness's mental incapacity or physical helplessness; '

Hmmm. She hasn't made a complaint so that might be a barrier.

Google-

They have a fairly common definition that does not account for I'm guessing incapacity, coercion, freezing etc.

I'll look a bit more to check.

'Rape is a serious felony offense under Virginia Law 18.2-61. It is punished by a maximum penalty of life imprisonment, with a minimum penalty of five years in prison. Adult rape is defined as having sexual intercourse with another, against their will, by force, threat, or intimidation.'

Different laws maybe?

Don't know what rape law is in Virginia.

How is this being tried as incest and not rape?

Yes and this faction of truly messed up people is what I was referring to in my previous comment which was deleted.

The trolls are driving so much of this.

He did not disclose this to his followers (AFAIK) which presumably means he knew it was not something that it's ok to do.

He did, this is how it came to light. There's a recording of a phone call with one of his 'fans' in which he discusses it as if it was normal. The other person on the call also discusses it as if it was normal.

The whole thing is so fucked up.

I suppose CC could be so f*cked up as to believe that his mother was in fact consenting to sex, maybe b/c she felt sorry for him? (cf. lesbians). OTOH he seems to be so utterly not right in the head that he would have tried to celebrate his non-celibacy on YouTube.

If he turns out not to be competent to stand trial he will go to a MH facility and his self-ID as female would have to be questioned, since such a self-ID has legal consequences and adults must be able to understand choices that have legal consequences.

But it's more likely he'll be sent to prison because America. If they execute mentally ill or incompetent people here they can certainly send them to prison.

In male jail will I assume create a lot of anger from some quarters.

I imagine there will be lots of statements from stars trans orgs etc expressing their outrage and demanding an immediate move to female facility.

The sentencing guidelines give a depressingly low max punishment'

'Under Virginia law, she could face a prison term of not less than one year or more than 10 years and a fine of up to $2,500.'

Was just googling to see about male prison which surprised me.

Came across PN take. They would I'm sure say innocent until proven guilty which is fair enough. I haven't seen other publications being so cautious though.

They also out CC as trans which I thought was a big no-no.

'Police detained the YouTuber, who maintains a channel with 50,000 subscribers, on Sunday (1 August) after a leaked phone conversation spread online. The authenticity of the recording hasn’t been confirmed.

In the eight-minute audio someone purporting to be Chandler tells her friend about having sexual relations with her elderly mother, Barbara, who is believed to have dementia.

The person said to be Chandler begins by stating “the incest fanfics have come true”, before claiming that “we’ve been doing it every third night” since 27 June.'

I think what’s really frightening is that it’s getting harder and harder to tell the difference between the trolls and ‘true believers’. If people cannot reliably tell anymore what’s satire and what’s not, we’re in a truly shitty place.