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James Esses taking legal action against Metanoia Institute

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rogdmum · 01/08/2021 07:56

Not only did Metanoia expel him after he started the petition to the govt, “Safeguard evidence-based therapy for children struggling with gender dysphoria” but Childline kicked him out as a volunteer counsellor.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9847741/Man-lost-job-Childline-raising-fears-children-rushed-changing-sex.html

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Tibtom · 01/08/2021 11:41

pineapplecakes it would have been the link. We are not allowed to put direct links to crowdfunders.

littlbrowndog · 01/08/2021 11:38

What is wrong with these charities.

What’s wrong with safeguarding children ?

And that college. Just sacked him off. How are they able just to do that

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hoodathunkit · 01/08/2021 11:04

Looks like all of this needs a thorough airing.

Oh yes, and I'm only just getting started.

It's going to be a fascinating ride

Later :)

ArabellaScott · 01/08/2021 11:03
  • and the Metanoia info also interesting, hooda. Looks like all of this needs a thorough airing.
hoodathunkit · 01/08/2021 11:00

If they think that’s negative publicity just wait and see why crawls out in a case.

Indeed. Their actions here are foolish in the extreme and they will regret their actions in this respect.

ArabellaScott · 01/08/2021 10:59

That's interesting R0wantrees. I wonder what the CC are intending.

hoodathunkit · 01/08/2021 10:59

This link is interesting

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20210801095137/metanoia.ac.uk/prospective-students/equality-and-diversity/equality-and-diversity-events/lgbtqplus-article/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20210801095137/metanoia.ac.uk/prospective-students/equality-and-diversity/equality-and-diversity-events/lgbtqplus-article/

One of the fonders of the Metanoia Institute was the late Petruska Clarkson.

The below text, written by Tuppy, and link are interesting on a number of levels - running late now so more later

Clarkson was an associate of the PIE activist Tuppy Owens and was involved in organising sex workers for disabled people through Tuppy's various dodgy organisations, SHADA and TLC.

A group of interested parties including myself, the founder of IUSW, the International Union of Sex Work Projects, Ana Lopes, Professor Petrouska Clarkson and James Palmer met in Petrouska’s Harley Street house to discuss the Institute. We were enthusiastic about starting TLC as an educational academy, which would raise funds to train sex workers and disabled people.

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20210116030950/shadainternational.com/all-impairments/sexual-services/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20210116030950/shadainternational.com/all-impairments/sexual-services/

R0wantrees · 01/08/2021 10:59

"What we stand for
The NSPCC stands up for children, demanding that laws change and action is taken to better protect them.

NSPCC stands for the National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children
It means that each of us has a responsibility to keep childhood free from abuse, and we must do everything possible to protect children and prevent it from happening."

cf. 'Gender Transition and Desistance in Teenage Girls: Two Psychotherapeutic Case Studies'
written by Susan Evans and Marcus Evans
Published on July 30, 2021

quillette.com/2021/07/30/gender-transition-and-desistance-in-teenage-girls-two-psychotherapeutic-case-studies/

R0wantrees · 01/08/2021 10:54

June 2019
Charity Commission reports on inquiry into Oxfam GB: “No charity is more important than the people it serves or the mission it pursues”
Regulator finds culture of "tolerating poor behaviour" at Oxfam GB and concludes charity “failed to meet promises made”
(extract)

"In a foreword to the report, Baroness Stowell, Chair of the Charity Commission, says no charity is more important that the mission it pursues or the people it serves:
No charity is so large, nor is its mission so important that it can afford to put its own reputation ahead of the dignity and wellbeing of those it exists to protect. But the implications of this inquiry are not confined to the failings of a single, big charity, because no charity is too small to bear its own share of responsibility for upholding the wider good name of charity.

Ultimately being a charity is more than just about what you do, it is also about the way in which you do it. The Charity Commission is determined to reassure the public that it understands this fundamental point and will work with the sector it regulates to demonstrate that fact in the months and years ahead."

www.gov.uk/government/news/charity-commission-reports-on-inquiry-into-oxfam-gb-no-charity-is-more-important-than-the-people-it-serves-or-the-mission-it-pursues

The people that the NSPCC & Childline serve are children and young people.

KittenKong · 01/08/2021 10:50

If they think that’s negative publicity just wait and see why crawls out in a case.

hoodathunkit · 01/08/2021 10:48

The next day, however, Prof Weston emailed again, telling him he had brought 'negative attention' to Metanoia.

I just spat coffee all over my monitor lol

They kicked him off the course because they thought that raising safeguarding concerns would being them "negative publicity". I am speechless.

Metanoia and Middlesex University are organisations well known to me in relation to my research into cults.

I am insanely busy this morning but will be posting some interesting information about both Metanoia and Middlesex University when I get back.

I believe that James Esses big mistake was to train at Metanoia in the first place.

R0wantrees · 01/08/2021 10:45

Relevant thread re James Makings (NSPCC / 'rubberman') from page 16

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3605120-Munroe-Childline-s-first-LGBT-campaigner?pg=16&messages=25

R0wantrees · 01/08/2021 10:40

SANCHEZ MANNING FOR THE MAIL ON SUNDAY
(extract)
2Earlier this year he resolved to make his concerns public.

He was further motivated after learning that the Government was planning to ban conversion therapy, which attempts to change a person's sexual orientation and gender identity.

He feared that such a ban might lead to psychotherapists who help children with gender issues facing prosecution.

So he launched an online petition in May called 'Safeguard evidence-based therapy for children struggling with gender dysphoria'.
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/582083

However, he was emailed by Metanoia's deputy chief executive Professor Carrie Weston, who said that two members of the public had complained about his 'social media activity'.

He was assured it was nothing to worry about.

The next day, however, Prof Weston emailed again, telling him he had brought 'negative attention' to Metanoia.

His student contract, he says she told him, was 'terminated'.

Mr Esses said: 'I'd been working towards becoming a therapist for almost four years and spent tens of thousands on the course.'

A few weeks later, he says, he was called to a meeting with Childline head Shaun Friel.

He says Mr Friel told him his volunteering contract was being terminated immediately and said: 'It is not appropriate for Childline representatives to use the service to advance their personal campaigns.'

Mr Esses said he was shocked. He'd given 'five years of my life' to Childline, keeping in a logbook each of the 200 shifts and 1,000 hours of counselling he had done as a volunteer for no pay.

He appealed to Childline's directors and to the chief executive of its umbrella charity, the NSPCC, but his appeal was rejected.

An NSPCC spokesman said: 'Volunteers cannot give the impression that Childline endorses their personal campaigns.'

Last night Prof Weston of the Metanoia Institute said: 'When he was a student Mr Esses made a series of public pronouncements.

'In doing so he brought the institute into disrepute and made his position on the course untenable.' (continues)
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9847741/Man-lost-job-Childline-raising-fears-children-rushed-changing-sex.html

ScreamingMeMe · 01/08/2021 10:35

@ArabellaScott

the NSPCC terminated his position calling it an 'inappropriate personal campaign.'

This from the charity with statutory power who saw nothing wrong with an employee wearing a gimp suit, masturbating in the toilets and uploading the video for further consumption. And complained at the criticism levelled at them calling it homophobic.

Shock not shocked.

Were you not around for that particular lowlight?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3611447-Potential-Systemic-Safeguarding-failures-in-NSPCC-Childline-illustrated-by-appointment-ending-of-relationship-with-Munroe-Bergdorf-Thread-2?pg=1

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3611125-AIBU-to-say-that-if-you-work-in-child-protection-you-shouldnt-post-pictures-of-yourself-wanking-at-work-in-fetish-gear

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3714849-Sacked-by-the-NSPCC-on-12th-August

KittenKong · 01/08/2021 10:34

I don’t think the case is with CL - but I guess it’s part of the whole ‘reputation’ things isn’t it?

Tibtom · 01/08/2021 10:33

Kittenkong I read that but wasn't sure if his legal case was against them too.

KittenKong · 01/08/2021 10:32

@Tibtom

Does his case include Childline?
Yes - he has volunteered for childlike for 5 years - 1000 hours on the lines. They told him that he was no longer required because of his thoughts (bad thoughts obviously...).
KevinBaconsJeans · 01/08/2021 10:31

I guess it's a good thing that i still have the capacity to be shocked...?

R0wantrees · 01/08/2021 10:30

I'm also looking forward to the Metanoia institute explaining to the courts exactly how someone legally involving themselves in a thoughtful and civil manor with British politics with the clear aim of safeguarding children and opening a very important debate about a proposed piece of legislation that if rushed or poorly worded will cause serious harm to those it intends to help could be seen to bring the institute into disrepute🤔 and that's before anyone mentions his legally protected beliefs.

James Esses
"A few months ago, without warning, I received an email from my educational institute - @ Metanoia_Inst

  • expelling me with immediate effect from my Masters course that I spent 3 years working towards. I was provided no evidence and not a single opportunity to defend myself."

twitter.com/JamesEsses/status/1421730360249962499

The Metanoia Institute's 'Student Conduct and Discipline Policy and Procedure' is available to view,
www.metanoia.ac.uk/about/policies-and-procedures/

James Esses taking legal action against Metanoia Institute
Rubidium · 01/08/2021 10:30

Can recommend this podcast where Julian Vigo talks with James Esses:
savageminds.substack.com/p/james-esses
(This was recorded before James's dismissals.)

Tibtom · 01/08/2021 10:30

Does his case include Childline?

KittenKong · 01/08/2021 10:29

@SpindleWhorl

He's a former barrister. I imagine he's pretty good at assembling a decent case.
That’s what I thought. Picked with the wrong guy there... what utter gits.

Childlike - well they have had a bad rep for a while. This hasn’t helped.

Tibtom · 01/08/2021 10:28

Nor critical analysis/thinking skills.

Tibtom · 01/08/2021 10:26

Well, no mention of evidence-based approaches in that blurb.