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Some thoughts on trans, the media and society

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Nefelibata33 · 01/08/2021 01:21

Hello everyone, I'm starting a new thread, cos I posted this message on a thread about Dr Helen Webberley, but people said they didn't want to discuss it, cos the thread was specifically about Dr Webberley. So I thought I would post my message for everyone to see, in a new thread. I think it's worth reading, I would like to discuss things with people. If you want to say something, please do. I will talk to anyone. Abuse me if you want, but I'd prefer if you didn't. I couldn't give a sh*t tbh. Sending love xxx. Here's my original message below

Hi everyone.

Just a post to say something. Firstly, if you are really concerned about big pharma, check that the NHS is in league with big pharma, and they dish out drugs like they're smarties. I have no idea what state you may be in, but you may have experience of this. I find it totally scary that so many people are getting hooked on drugs, cos a doctor prescribed it. This really isn't ok. As an example, a few years ago, they changed the blood sugar reading for which you can be described as diabetic. So more people could be diagnosed as diabetic, and more people could be given diabetic meds, and hey... a GP gets a bonus every time they diagnose someone as diabetic. I think the NHS is great, the nurses who are ready to sacrifice their own lives to help others, like Florence Nightingale. Like my Grandma. Like one of my cousins. But the ones who sit in offices and dish out drugs, they are a real problem.

Why am I saying this? Because doctors will dish out every drug going, even when they have horrendous side effects, make people actually feel worse than they were to begin with. Do we hear anything about this in the media? No. It doesn't sell papers. Any sort of backlash against big pharma? No. Because the media are onside with the mega rich pharmaceutical company directors getting richer and the poor getting poorer, not that the media would say that. Is there a type of drug doctors aren't allowed to dish out? Yes, oestrogen or testosterone.

This is the only thing no doctor can prescribe. There are plenty of countries around the world that take a different approach to trans people, and it's not so difficult to get hormones. With no disasters taking place. Keira Bell got a lot of attention. One person that made a mistake, amongst the thousands of trans kids who are happy as they are. One person. The media made a big deal of it.

Would it be wrong if I said that the media in this country have an axe to grind against any minority group? The Sun carried out a massive racist hate campaign against Raheem Sterling a few years ago. Britain's most prominent black footballer, it wasn't racist at all. You saw the racist abuse thing after England didn't win the Euros. It's absolutely shameful that so many people think it's OK to send someone death threats, JUST BECAUSE THEIR SKIN IS A DIFFERENT COLOUR. Encouraged by the Sun. The tabloids are the cancer of this country, our society would be much better without them I think, but we're stuck with them. They killed Princess Diana. A woman who was in the prime of her life, so happy, and bang... killed by the tabloids. There was a massive outpouring of emotion, but did it stop anyone from buying the tabloids? No. Nobody learns. I've read on this site, all this woke this woke that. Prince Harry has been accused of being woke. Cos he married a mixed race woman, and he doesn't want her to end up like his Mum. Think about it. Not "woke", a loving human being.

I don't get the woke thing. It's just a word that has been invented to describe someone who cares for social justice, and is right on. Can someone please explain to me why that's so bad? I really don't get it. Why are kind people a problem? Could it be, that there are just a lot of people who aren't very kind?

Back onto the media, they are totally corrupt, lying bullshtters. GB News is really struggling, so to boost ratings, they decided to attack the Trans community. To boost ratings! I guess that's more entertaining for the sort of people who watch it. I am now going to say something. I don't care who you are, but just realise this. Trans people are being treated just like gays were 20 or 30 years ago. The media do this to sell papers, and make money. Rupert Murdoch is Australian, he's an immigrant, but his papers bang on about immigration. Fcking hypocrite. The demonisation of Trans people is just part of a large scale war by the right wing/neo nazi movement. Are any of you reading this wondering now? It's part of a nazi thing. Caring for children is one thing, but demonising a group of people who just happened to be so unlucky that they were born in the wrong body is another. Have a heart, people. No transgender person wants to hurt you, or your children. They are not dangerous to anyone, the women's toilets, shelters, changing rooms in clothes shops... This is the truth. You don't get the truth in the papers. The papers don't have anyone's best interest at heart, they are just trying to make money.

I've said what I needed to say. I came on Mumsnet cos I'd heard of it, and I wanted to see how people think. I've received quite a bit of abuse off people, quite nasty, and some questions about my level of intelligence. Don't worry, I'm intelligent, and I won't stoop to the level of insulting someone else for being different, or having different opinions.

I am a feminist. There, I said it. I would die to protect a woman. So how come so many so called feminists are against Trans women? Do you actually believe a Trans woman is going to rape you in the toilets? NEWS! Trans women don't hurt or kill women, MEN DO. Trans women are not men. No Trans woman wants to hurt you. It's just the sort of fcked up shtbag men that want to hurt you.

If anyone wants to comment on anything I wrote, feel free. Make it intelligent, no gratuitous abuse please X

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Chickenyhead · 01/08/2021 14:53

@sourapplechew

Such a misogynistic stance there.

Misogynistic men consider women good for very few things, mainly:
Cooking
Cleaning
Childcare
Sex

You know, there are even women in the army now, shocking isn't it? Wow.

334bu · 01/08/2021 14:51

I tried to put forward something intelligent, and I haven't received a single kind word. Just a load of crap and abuse. If you lot would treat every human being like a person, and not worry about what's between their legs, you'd be better off for it.

I am sorry but what "kind word" were you expecting, when you post a serious of assertions which are easily shown to be false.

IHaveWashed · 01/08/2021 14:50

You’re embarrassing yourself now, Nef.

CandyLeBonBon · 01/08/2021 14:50

@SourAppleChew

For example, I've never heard a woman complain about the military draft in the world's most powerful country, where men have to sign up to receive the same state benefits that women get for free.

I can't think of any other legally sanctioned discrimination as bad as signing your life away and giving control of how you die to the state (especially when Trump was in charge!).

Last vote on the matter showed that men were hugely in favour of equality in the draft but women were hugely in favour of keeping it only male. You never hear about these things because they don't fit the narrative.

Not sure what that has to do with anything the OP is talking about though?
Waitwhat23 · 01/08/2021 14:50

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Chickenyhead · 01/08/2021 14:49

@Nefelibata33

It's not a slur. It's a term. For someone who's a bigot. Same as a racist. Or a NAZI
Now you show us who you are.

You are not a good person.

SourAppleChew · 01/08/2021 14:48

For example, I've never heard a woman complain about the military draft in the world's most powerful country, where men have to sign up to receive the same state benefits that women get for free.

I can't think of any other legally sanctioned discrimination as bad as signing your life away and giving control of how you die to the state (especially when Trump was in charge!).

Last vote on the matter showed that men were hugely in favour of equality in the draft but women were hugely in favour of keeping it only male. You never hear about these things because they don't fit the narrative.

Jackgrealishscurtains · 01/08/2021 14:48

Oh dear, the mask is slipping. Happens a lot on threads like this to be fair.

MoreRainThanAnyYet · 01/08/2021 14:47

You seem to feel more affinity with the male viewpoint on this thread than the female, Nefelibata.

CandyLeBonBon · 01/08/2021 14:46

@Nefelibata33

It's not a slur. It's a term. For someone who's a bigot. Same as a racist. Or a NAZI
Please do not use that term here. It is offensive. Thankyou.
CandyLeBonBon · 01/08/2021 14:46

@SourAppleChew

They may not be respected but the patriarchal hierarchy will still prioritise working class men over women.

Usually until the point where somebody needs to be shipped overseas to die fighting in a trench.

I don't mean to cause offence but a lot of patriarchy theory is bollocks IMO and has been used to almost rewrite history. Men always did the dirty, dangerous jobs the fairer sex weren't allowed to, and these.jobs are still largely done by men with women showing little interest in being refuse collectors, sewage workers, etc.

It was a little patronising to be fair, which is why many people have rewritten it oppression rather than a 'ladies first' kind of sentiment where the man does the undesirable stuff.

Women were t allowed to work. By men. Women have been told for centuries, by men, what they can and can't do.
Nefelibata33 · 01/08/2021 14:45

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Nefelibata33 · 01/08/2021 14:44

Thank you SourAppleChew, finally someone agreed with something I said. You're a good person

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CandyLeBonBon · 01/08/2021 14:43

@Nefelibata33

I hate the patriarchy. Men are mostly tossers.

Most Trans women are beautiful humans, in my experience, the sort of people who would not hurt a fly, and just want to get on with life, without being constantly targeted by the media, TERFs, or anyone else. So you have managed to come up with some examples of Trans women doing something wrong. Well done, very good. Do you think these people represent the whole community? No. In every community there are sh*tty people. Christ, don't tar everyone with the same brush.

I think I could write and write and write and none of you would agree with me on anything. I feel so fed up, you see me as a man. OK. And you all mistrust men. OK. Fine. I don't blame you, I hate men, the vast majority. Except for Harrison Ford in Star Wars, maybe. I can now see what it's all about. Nothing to do with being open minded, or giving people the benefit of the doubt. Just warped paranoid minds.

I tried to put forward something intelligent, and I haven't received a single kind word. Just a load of crap and abuse. If you lot would treat every human being like a person, and not worry about what's between their legs, you'd be better off for it.

Sorry Chickenyhead, if I didn't address your post, if I had to address every post on here that was generally having a go at me and exasperated me, I'd be here all day. Argggh, this is so frustrating

Please do not use that slur on here. It's very offensive.
SourAppleChew · 01/08/2021 14:42

They may not be respected but the patriarchal hierarchy will still prioritise working class men over women.

Usually until the point where somebody needs to be shipped overseas to die fighting in a trench.

I don't mean to cause offence but a lot of patriarchy theory is bollocks IMO and has been used to almost rewrite history. Men always did the dirty, dangerous jobs the fairer sex weren't allowed to, and these.jobs are still largely done by men with women showing little interest in being refuse collectors, sewage workers, etc.

It was a little patronising to be fair, which is why many people have rewritten it oppression rather than a 'ladies first' kind of sentiment where the man does the undesirable stuff.

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Nefelibata33 · 01/08/2021 14:42

I hate the patriarchy. Men are mostly tossers.

Most Trans women are beautiful humans, in my experience, the sort of people who would not hurt a fly, and just want to get on with life, without being constantly targeted by the media, TERFs, or anyone else. So you have managed to come up with some examples of Trans women doing something wrong. Well done, very good. Do you think these people represent the whole community? No. In every community there are sh*tty people. Christ, don't tar everyone with the same brush.

I think I could write and write and write and none of you would agree with me on anything. I feel so fed up, you see me as a man. OK. And you all mistrust men. OK. Fine. I don't blame you, I hate men, the vast majority. Except for Harrison Ford in Star Wars, maybe. I can now see what it's all about. Nothing to do with being open minded, or giving people the benefit of the doubt. Just warped paranoid minds.

I tried to put forward something intelligent, and I haven't received a single kind word. Just a load of crap and abuse. If you lot would treat every human being like a person, and not worry about what's between their legs, you'd be better off for it.

Sorry Chickenyhead, if I didn't address your post, if I had to address every post on here that was generally having a go at me and exasperated me, I'd be here all day. Argggh, this is so frustrating

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CandyLeBonBon · 01/08/2021 14:32

@SourAppleChew

In patriarchy, male people are actually seen as the most human and females are seen as less human. The default for most things is male because female is seen as inferior by people with power.

I'm GC but I'm not sure about the above.

Working class men aren't respected by the very small % of men that run things. They're just pawns turning the cogs.

They may not be respected but the patriarchal hierarchy will still prioritise working class men over women
SourAppleChew · 01/08/2021 14:27

In patriarchy, male people are actually seen as the most human and females are seen as less human. The default for most things is male because female is seen as inferior by people with power.

I'm GC but I'm not sure about the above.

Working class men aren't respected by the very small % of men that run things. They're just pawns turning the cogs.

vesuvia · 01/08/2021 13:58

OP (Nefelibata33) wrote - "You are all biological females, I'm not. See me as a human being just like you".

In patriarchy, male people are actually seen as the most human and females are seen as less human. The default for most things is male because female is seen as inferior by people with power.

Chersfrozenface · 01/08/2021 13:57

@SourAppleChew

"GPs will receive a bonus of £11.50 for every obese patient they refer for weight management help as part of the Government's anti-obesity drive.

GPs can also refer patients to other services, including the NHS Diabetes Prevention Programme, which teaches people at risk of the disease how to change their behaviours to avoid condition to avoid developing it."

The bonus would be for referring obese patients for weight management help and to the diabetes prevention programme. Note the word 'prevention' and the description of what the programme does.

It would not be for diagnosing diabetes or for prescribing insulin.

RoseisMadder · 01/08/2021 13:55

@LoislovesStewie I’d be very interested to hear OP’s view on religion.
I frequent Reddit (horrid place!) and read an appalling thread the other day on AITA. The poster practiced Islam and was asking if it was wrong of her to refuse to remove her head scarf in front of a TW ( The post was more detailed but I won’t paraphrase the whole thing) The replies were nothing short of Islamophobic. People genuinely thought the OP was a bigot and her religion needs to change.

SourAppleChew · 01/08/2021 13:52

@emlouwat

I've not read your entire post. Got as far as GPs getting a bonus every time they diagnose someone with 'diabetes'

What bollocks

There is some truth in it to be fair, if you believe the DM.

GPs will receive a bonus of £11.50 for every obese patient they refer for weight management help as part of the Government's anti-obesity drive.

GPs can also refer patients to other services, including the NHS Diabetes Prevention Programme, which teaches people at risk of the disease how to change their behaviours to avoid condition to avoid developing it.

The BMA last night labelled the scheme 'micromanagement' from NHS bosses and said it was clinically and practically flawed.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9700567/amp/GPs-paid-bonus-11-50-obese-patient-refer-weight-management-help.html

herewegogc · 01/08/2021 13:36

@NecessaryScene thank you

herewegogc · 01/08/2021 13:35

@Chickenyhead 💐

RedDogsBeg · 01/08/2021 13:31

@Nefelibata33

I didn't ignore the links.

I feel really disgusted, having looked at all of it. We're not all like that, believe me. These are just examples of the worst kind of behaviour possible.

Every group of people has good and bad elements. I guess there are plenty of women who are nasty. There are loads of men who are nasty.

I don't know what to say. Just because there are bad people in a group, it doesn't make everyone bad. But I had never read these stories. I feel really sad, reading all that. Devastated.

We are not all like that. I have nothing but love for other people, and so many people like me are basically decent people. There are shtty people and not shtty people. In every walk of life.

We're not all bad. I'm sorry, a few isolated cases don't make a whole group of people bad.

Classic deflection, faced with the evidence and finally looking at it this is your response NATWALT? Exactly the same as every man who says NAMALT when faced with the appalling statistics of VAWG perpetrated by men.

You still think that despite all evidence to the contrary TW and you especially should be exempt from abiding by the boundaries and safeguarding criteria in place to protect women and girls.