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Some thoughts on trans, the media and society

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Nefelibata33 · 01/08/2021 01:21

Hello everyone, I'm starting a new thread, cos I posted this message on a thread about Dr Helen Webberley, but people said they didn't want to discuss it, cos the thread was specifically about Dr Webberley. So I thought I would post my message for everyone to see, in a new thread. I think it's worth reading, I would like to discuss things with people. If you want to say something, please do. I will talk to anyone. Abuse me if you want, but I'd prefer if you didn't. I couldn't give a sh*t tbh. Sending love xxx. Here's my original message below

Hi everyone.

Just a post to say something. Firstly, if you are really concerned about big pharma, check that the NHS is in league with big pharma, and they dish out drugs like they're smarties. I have no idea what state you may be in, but you may have experience of this. I find it totally scary that so many people are getting hooked on drugs, cos a doctor prescribed it. This really isn't ok. As an example, a few years ago, they changed the blood sugar reading for which you can be described as diabetic. So more people could be diagnosed as diabetic, and more people could be given diabetic meds, and hey... a GP gets a bonus every time they diagnose someone as diabetic. I think the NHS is great, the nurses who are ready to sacrifice their own lives to help others, like Florence Nightingale. Like my Grandma. Like one of my cousins. But the ones who sit in offices and dish out drugs, they are a real problem.

Why am I saying this? Because doctors will dish out every drug going, even when they have horrendous side effects, make people actually feel worse than they were to begin with. Do we hear anything about this in the media? No. It doesn't sell papers. Any sort of backlash against big pharma? No. Because the media are onside with the mega rich pharmaceutical company directors getting richer and the poor getting poorer, not that the media would say that. Is there a type of drug doctors aren't allowed to dish out? Yes, oestrogen or testosterone.

This is the only thing no doctor can prescribe. There are plenty of countries around the world that take a different approach to trans people, and it's not so difficult to get hormones. With no disasters taking place. Keira Bell got a lot of attention. One person that made a mistake, amongst the thousands of trans kids who are happy as they are. One person. The media made a big deal of it.

Would it be wrong if I said that the media in this country have an axe to grind against any minority group? The Sun carried out a massive racist hate campaign against Raheem Sterling a few years ago. Britain's most prominent black footballer, it wasn't racist at all. You saw the racist abuse thing after England didn't win the Euros. It's absolutely shameful that so many people think it's OK to send someone death threats, JUST BECAUSE THEIR SKIN IS A DIFFERENT COLOUR. Encouraged by the Sun. The tabloids are the cancer of this country, our society would be much better without them I think, but we're stuck with them. They killed Princess Diana. A woman who was in the prime of her life, so happy, and bang... killed by the tabloids. There was a massive outpouring of emotion, but did it stop anyone from buying the tabloids? No. Nobody learns. I've read on this site, all this woke this woke that. Prince Harry has been accused of being woke. Cos he married a mixed race woman, and he doesn't want her to end up like his Mum. Think about it. Not "woke", a loving human being.

I don't get the woke thing. It's just a word that has been invented to describe someone who cares for social justice, and is right on. Can someone please explain to me why that's so bad? I really don't get it. Why are kind people a problem? Could it be, that there are just a lot of people who aren't very kind?

Back onto the media, they are totally corrupt, lying bullshtters. GB News is really struggling, so to boost ratings, they decided to attack the Trans community. To boost ratings! I guess that's more entertaining for the sort of people who watch it. I am now going to say something. I don't care who you are, but just realise this. Trans people are being treated just like gays were 20 or 30 years ago. The media do this to sell papers, and make money. Rupert Murdoch is Australian, he's an immigrant, but his papers bang on about immigration. Fcking hypocrite. The demonisation of Trans people is just part of a large scale war by the right wing/neo nazi movement. Are any of you reading this wondering now? It's part of a nazi thing. Caring for children is one thing, but demonising a group of people who just happened to be so unlucky that they were born in the wrong body is another. Have a heart, people. No transgender person wants to hurt you, or your children. They are not dangerous to anyone, the women's toilets, shelters, changing rooms in clothes shops... This is the truth. You don't get the truth in the papers. The papers don't have anyone's best interest at heart, they are just trying to make money.

I've said what I needed to say. I came on Mumsnet cos I'd heard of it, and I wanted to see how people think. I've received quite a bit of abuse off people, quite nasty, and some questions about my level of intelligence. Don't worry, I'm intelligent, and I won't stoop to the level of insulting someone else for being different, or having different opinions.

I am a feminist. There, I said it. I would die to protect a woman. So how come so many so called feminists are against Trans women? Do you actually believe a Trans woman is going to rape you in the toilets? NEWS! Trans women don't hurt or kill women, MEN DO. Trans women are not men. No Trans woman wants to hurt you. It's just the sort of fcked up shtbag men that want to hurt you.

If anyone wants to comment on anything I wrote, feel free. Make it intelligent, no gratuitous abuse please X

OP posts:
Chickenyhead · 01/08/2021 23:41

🤗🤗🤗

Thank you amazing women.

It means a lot.

FloralBunting · 01/08/2021 23:38

Chickeny you don't need to apologize for being incredibly brave and open. The rather despicable OP can own their shit, and actually, your bravery has just made yet another thread on FWR to demonstrate to lurkers the 'genuine' concern for women that these people have. I think you're amazing Flowers

CandyLeBonBon · 01/08/2021 23:37

@Chickenyhead I understand what you mean. Bring out there and vulnerable is a double edged sword but your words were important. I hope you realise that Thanks

CandyLeBonBon · 01/08/2021 23:36

To @Chickenyhead and all the patient, intelligent, thoughtful women on here, Thankyou.

Chickenyhead · 01/08/2021 23:33

@charlieparley Thank you.

I sort of regret posting this for OP, it's so very private and sometimes I am a bit slow at picking up true intent. I actually thought the OP was vulnerable, so I shared. Now I feel dirty, if that makes sense.

I think I'm better when they are out and out nasty. My #be kind is strong.

I am annoyed at myself so I understand the OP finding me so.

I don't know how you are all so resilient. I'm sorry for the hard time I have given in my learning.

P.s. my first crush was Arnold Swartenegger 😫

CharlieParley · 01/08/2021 23:13

@Chickenyhead

The thing is, my transwomen friends aren't trying to take away from biological women.

They don't expect to insert themselves in biological women's safe spaces.

They don't agree with transwomen who have the benefit of male puberty being in women's sports.

And they are horrified that trans identifying sex offenders are being transferred in to women's prisons. Horrified that the judge found men's right trumped women's rights yet again.

The problem transwomen have are TRAs. Sending rape and death threats to women. Calling women transphobic because they sneezed funny.

TRAs regularly come on this board and attack us. Call us cis and deliberately inflame us, knowing that we have the right not to buy in to gender identity. They do it to provoke.

I'm not sure what your aim is however. You genuinely appear to be trying to appeal to us on a humanity front. Please try to do the same in return.

Imagine 5 men accosted you in a car park and took turns raping you until you bled. Its dark and your clothes are over your face. You can't see them, you can hear them and the pain. You are bruised and mentally broken. You wish you had died.

Imagine you then go to rape counselling after weeks of locking yourself in your house. Your first time leaving the house and you end up in a waiting room alone with a stranger who is a man. An innocent man.

How do you think that might feel as a weaker biological woman?

I can tell you if you want me to?

I just wanted to quote this comment in full again.

Chickenyhead Thank you for speaking out and I'm so sorry for what you endured Flowers

I'm so sorry that instead of focusing on recovery, survivors like you are once again having to fight to have their needs met. It's exhausting and infuriating.

I am exhausted and angry. I don't want to do this anymore. Life is too short. Nonetheless, Chickenyhead, myself and many many other women (and some men) will continue to defend women's rights.

And so we share deeply traumatic experiences explaining our need for a female-only therapeutic environment, as Chickenyhead did here. And this is the response:

Sorry Chickenyhead, if I didn't address your post, if I had to address every post on here that was generally having a go at me and exasperated me, I'd be here all day. Argggh, this is so frustrating

Sharing a deeply traumatic experience is interpreted as having a go by the OP. Who is exasperated by this heartfelt plea for understanding. And frustrated.

I have many words to say about this response, but we have all read them and written them on here and elsewhere, so I'll not bother. I will just say that even without the OP disclosing being male I would have concluded that from this answer. It's fucking cold-hearted and proof if we needed it that to some members of the male sex, the suffering of female people is wholly irrelevant if it gets in the way of their desires. Of course, it's not always displayed so blatantly...

CandyLeBonBon · 01/08/2021 23:10

@NiceGerbil

Thinking about this very important topic.

I have always fancied tall big strong men whose personality is gentle softie (and being happy to be. Um. Let's say not the opinionated decision maker 🤣

Chicken/ egg though.

I can mention a couple of my other crushes. One is real head in hands stuff Grin

Cheque always struck me as the really solid bestie who would have no truck with bullshit, recognised that hugs were important, knew that his mate was often a bit of a twat, and helped him communicate even when things were a bit tricky. Han was nothing without Chewie.

Chewie is a fucking legend.

NiceGerbil · 01/08/2021 23:08

@Chickenyhead

Plus acted quite erm, detached themselves?

Weird.

I think I need to accept that I am annoying.😬

The OP?!

Not interested. Didn't read anything. Not interested. Never are.

I wish I'd thought to ask

If ALL women are wonderful and amazing.

Then aren't the women on these threads?!

NiceGerbil · 01/08/2021 23:06

Thinking about this very important topic.

I have always fancied tall big strong men whose personality is gentle softie (and being happy to be. Um. Let's say not the opinionated decision maker 🤣

Chicken/ egg though.

I can mention a couple of my other crushes. One is real head in hands stuff Grin

MoreRainThanAnyYet · 01/08/2021 23:04

Oh god. DH is a very similar height and stature to Chewie, now you mention it.

A generation scarred for life.

Chickenyhead · 01/08/2021 23:04

Plus acted quite erm, detached themselves?

Weird.

I think I need to accept that I am annoying.😬

CandyLeBonBon · 01/08/2021 23:03

@NiceGerbil

Grin

😁😁😁
NiceGerbil · 01/08/2021 23:02
Grin
NiceGerbil · 01/08/2021 23:02

I find it fascinating that s person who appears to really dislike men, hate the no showing emotion, the stereotype masculinity stuff.

Likes han solo! A classic of that mould.

CandyLeBonBon · 01/08/2021 23:00

@NiceGerbil

I kind of fancied Chewbacca as well.

Um.

I was only 8 or something!

Yeah. I kind of did too!! 😳
CandyLeBonBon · 01/08/2021 22:59

@RufustheBadgeringReindeer

There is a video out there of chewie talking to han with the original actors voice

Its very funny

I need to see this!
RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 01/08/2021 22:59

There is a video out there of chewie talking to han with the original actors voice

Its very funny

Chickenyhead · 01/08/2021 22:59
Grin
RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 01/08/2021 22:58

@NiceGerbil

Oh fuck. Forget chewie.

I'm not a furry FFS!

Yeah yeah yeah

Ive heard that before 😀

RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 01/08/2021 22:57

@NiceGerbil

I kind of fancied Chewbacca as well.

Um.

I was only 8 or something!

😳
NiceGerbil · 01/08/2021 22:57

Oh fuck. Forget chewie.

I'm not a furry FFS!

NiceGerbil · 01/08/2021 22:57

I had loads of dodgy crushes.

NiceGerbil · 01/08/2021 22:56

I kind of fancied Chewbacca as well.

Um.

I was only 8 or something!

NiceGerbil · 01/08/2021 22:55

I tend to withhold concluding anything tbh and post according to what's said.

I've been on here for years and there's always been people coming to prod and poke. (Not just this topic).

Some seem to be trying to seek atonement for something by getting agreement that in their care whatever is understandable/ ok.

Some enjoy winding women up/ upsetting about usually sensitive topics.

Some just spew rage/ abuse.

Some are 'feminists' who get the arsehole when there's not universal fawning to mansplaining.

Some (these are annoying) sure write long winded posts which they see as superior arguments based in logic and sense. To counter our base emotionalism. These often include reams of detail to do with really questionable analogies based on 'difficult' areas. That we won't understand and then they can feel clever and superior.
Eg
Obscure historical references
Long vanished societies
Etc
And if (when Grin) it turns out that one or more posters have a doctorate in it and say you're talking rubbish they get really pissed off Grin

RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 01/08/2021 22:47

Its better on youtube