Some thoughts on trans, the media and society

I need a dog now…and also cos i found a shark costume for a dog

I liked tommy lee jones

Best quote ever ‘i dont care’ 😀

I use it a lot in everyday life…that and ‘I'm bored now’ usually when i wanted a yes/no answer and dh launches into an explanation instead

I liked Harrison Ford in the Fugitive, too!

I used to have a dog called Indi. It was hilarious watching the Indianna Jones films with him, every time the heroine yelled 'indy!!!! Indy!!!!'

Chickeny is an incredibly brave and dignified woman. No matter how empathetic the trans woman, no matter how decent, they could never understand it.i suppose demonstrated in how the OP dismissed it out of hand.

Horrible, awful things happen to trans women too and probably we as women won't be able to put ourselves in their shoes but we can sure as hell acknowledge their pain.

Oh, completely agree. John Book in Witness is a tremendously decent man.

I feel better about wanting to be Harrison Ford when I was 11 now. Although I obviously hadn't seen Witness and was basing it on Indy and Han, so I really don't have a leg to stand on.

Chicken. please dont feel bad. As I said elsewhere, your posts came across as fearless and truthful. Its the bad faith posters who should feel ashamed, not you.
And for the record, Harrison Ford was bloody good in Witness. You did ask which other films he had been in!

Thanks to all the women that can see through the shit, mud, ill intent, narcissism and utterly nonsense of the OP runt.

... and the La la la la attitude to start and the blatant insensitivity of a chosen identity wearer or allie,

I applaud you all and send Chewie hugs to those who’ll like them!

Brave, sound and no-nonsense women of MN!

Even if I go with the generous interpretation of intent (and, shall we say, I'm not convinced), what stood out to me right from the get go was the fuzzy, indistinct appeals to emotion based on assertions rather evidence, alternating with whip-quick suddenness with sweary, ranty insults.

It was such an odd display of wheedling, whining pleading and dismissiveness, and an obvious frustrated rage, barely held in check.

Like I say, I always welcome posters like here, and it's always most useful if they start their own threads rather than derail others. So top tip if you do get the disruption on another thread, ask them to start their own and refuse to engage in the derail. That way the original thread is retained, the TRA newbie gets to wax long without being able to say nasty FWR silenced them, and lurkers have another helpful demonstration of who exactly is demanding an end to single sex provision and protection. That way, we all win 😁

I have many words to say about this response, but we have all read them and written them on here and elsewhere, so I'll not bother. I will just say that even without the OP disclosing being male I would have concluded that from this answer. It's fucking cold-hearted and proof if we needed it that to some members of the male sex, the suffering of female people is wholly irrelevant if it gets in the way of their desires. Of course, it's not always displayed so blatantly

Beautifully put charlie

You aren’t annoying in the slightest chickenyhead, unfortunately guidelines prevent me from saying exactly what i think about the OPs attitude to your post. Please be assured that there is lots of swearing in it and comments covering a wealth of subjects…parenting, education etc…all covered at length

Looking back over the OP’s posts it does seem that maybe in the end they were more focused on people agreeing with their perception of how they viewed themself than the other topics.

They certainly felt women owed them something. It must be disappointing to discover that the socialisation you had as a child and teen tends to be very hard to overcome and many times is visible in your posting style.

That on an Internet forum, it has nothing at all to do with how you look. It is like the tweets of some males who identify as women, ever so telling.

I hope you're feeling better today Chickenyhead your posts really moved me. I think the way OP behaved towards you was unforgivable but unfortunately predictable. Please don't take it to heart, its a reflection on them not you 💐

A thread that's potentially relevant to this thread.

Article about covert narcissism. www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4312297-article-about-covert-narcissism

I'm so sorry chickeny, for what they did to you and for how you've been treated on this thread. Please don't feel bad for posting though I'm sure it's incredibly triggering. I hope you're ok.

Males, such as trans women, are on average six inches taller and 30 pounds heavier than females. They have sixty percent more upper body strength and much greater handgrip and punch power than females. Almost all healthy males can beat healthy females in a one-on-one fiht.

'In many ways I agree with not expecting people to feel guilty for what their ancestors did'

I've never seen this even hinted at though.

I find it bizarre.

X group did y shitty stuff z years ago.

Why should I feel guilty about that?

NO ONE IS SAYING YOU SHOULD!!!

I can see you misunderstood my post on that.

Where do people get this idea that eg 100 years ago X country did y shitty thing. That it's directed at them personally?

I mean I can't get my head round it but it happens - massively- all the time.

In many ways I agree with not expecting people to feel guilty for what their ancestors did (eg Slave owners) or what other members of their group (eg male people) are doing now. I wouldn't expect my husband to apologize for or feel guilty for all the school massacre shootings in America just because the perps were all male, that'd be bonkers.

However, if someone right now is supporting the acts of others that clearly are harmful right now, eg supporting gender ideology and certain people despite the fact they are causing harm particularly to women right now, and then getting sweary and irate over innocuous comments, ignoring and belittling women's painful heartfelt personal stories, saying "me me me" instead, it's ok to have a problem with that.

You don't need to over analyse the problem with that.

As we're derailing all over the place.

Anyone want to talk about this taking it personally thing?

It was obvious on this thread.

It's also really common on threads about paying for sex.
On those, you often get male posters arguing that it's ok in the these circs. Which are the ones that apply to them. Often when xyz is raised that is not what they do or would do, they say God that's awful. Men who do that are terrible.

Also with metoo a fair few of my male colleagues decided that it was a great topic to bring up with me at work . And again there was in the end a big element of what impact does this have on me.

There's also s common theme of you can't generalise. That's not fair. I've not done anything wrong. Why should i feel guilty (which no one has ever said they should!).

That last one is also really common on threads about empire/ our actions re slavery etc.

So what I'm wondering is.

On any topic do the dominant group automatically tend to take s very individual/ personal view?
Like. Look at how this group has been treated- why is it my personal fault?. I'm lovely! You can't lump everyone in together etc.

While the group who was on the shit end of the thing. Seems to see it much more at a class level. This part I get.

Any thoughts?

It seems bizarre to me to take these things personally but it happens all the time.

Whatever happened to LOP did they get banned? Why the sudden disappearence?

OP would die for a woman, apparently; in reality OP does not acknowledge, respect , or display any emotion other than annoyance towards a woman’s suffering. Presumably paying attention to another person’s feelings for two minutes is literally a fate worse than death.

So many misogynists care greatly about hypothetical, theoretical women; it’s just actually-existing women they hate. Perhaps it’s unsurprising that some of this tendency start “identifying as” their abstract ideas of womanhood when real women keep on being inconveniently human at them.

Chickenyhead, I’m so sorry. And so angry at what happened to you, and at the entitled male bullshit compounding the trauma. Thank you for speaking. I hope you find a space to heal.

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[quote Chickenyhead]@charlieparley Thank you.

I sort of regret posting this for OP, it's so very private and sometimes I am a bit slow at picking up true intent. I actually thought the OP was vulnerable, so I shared. Now I feel dirty, if that makes sense.

I think I'm better when they are out and out nasty. My #be kind is strong.

I am annoyed at myself so I understand the OP finding me so.

I don't know how you are all so resilient. I'm sorry for the hard time I have given in my learning.

P.s. my first crush was Arnold Swartenegger 😫[/quote]
Please don't feel annoyed at yourself. As Floral points out, what you have done is exposed the exact problems that women are worried about and sometimes can't really articulate anywhere near as effectively as seeing them unfold in real life.

The complete lack of empathy, the self-serving demands, the total ignorance of what it is to be a woman, can sometimes be hard to describe. When you see it play out in real life, it's blindingly obvious.

What a lot of men don't understand, is that from a woman's point of view, a male demand for access is instant and permanent justification to refuse it.

The pattern seems to be to attack and criticise women who ‘admit’ to being assaulted by males, accuse them of being unkind/unfair/exaggerating/prejudiced, and then discount what they say because they are unfair/unkind etc etc people.

It’s a weird dynamic.

wrt to Harrison Ford, the really questionable behaviour is from Rick Deckard in Blade Runner. Yes, Han is a cocky sod, but at least Leia kicks arse rescuing him. Deckard straight-up assaults Sean Young's character, Rachael.