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Some thoughts on trans, the media and society

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Nefelibata33 · 01/08/2021 01:21

Hello everyone, I'm starting a new thread, cos I posted this message on a thread about Dr Helen Webberley, but people said they didn't want to discuss it, cos the thread was specifically about Dr Webberley. So I thought I would post my message for everyone to see, in a new thread. I think it's worth reading, I would like to discuss things with people. If you want to say something, please do. I will talk to anyone. Abuse me if you want, but I'd prefer if you didn't. I couldn't give a sh*t tbh. Sending love xxx. Here's my original message below

Hi everyone.

Just a post to say something. Firstly, if you are really concerned about big pharma, check that the NHS is in league with big pharma, and they dish out drugs like they're smarties. I have no idea what state you may be in, but you may have experience of this. I find it totally scary that so many people are getting hooked on drugs, cos a doctor prescribed it. This really isn't ok. As an example, a few years ago, they changed the blood sugar reading for which you can be described as diabetic. So more people could be diagnosed as diabetic, and more people could be given diabetic meds, and hey... a GP gets a bonus every time they diagnose someone as diabetic. I think the NHS is great, the nurses who are ready to sacrifice their own lives to help others, like Florence Nightingale. Like my Grandma. Like one of my cousins. But the ones who sit in offices and dish out drugs, they are a real problem.

Why am I saying this? Because doctors will dish out every drug going, even when they have horrendous side effects, make people actually feel worse than they were to begin with. Do we hear anything about this in the media? No. It doesn't sell papers. Any sort of backlash against big pharma? No. Because the media are onside with the mega rich pharmaceutical company directors getting richer and the poor getting poorer, not that the media would say that. Is there a type of drug doctors aren't allowed to dish out? Yes, oestrogen or testosterone.

This is the only thing no doctor can prescribe. There are plenty of countries around the world that take a different approach to trans people, and it's not so difficult to get hormones. With no disasters taking place. Keira Bell got a lot of attention. One person that made a mistake, amongst the thousands of trans kids who are happy as they are. One person. The media made a big deal of it.

Would it be wrong if I said that the media in this country have an axe to grind against any minority group? The Sun carried out a massive racist hate campaign against Raheem Sterling a few years ago. Britain's most prominent black footballer, it wasn't racist at all. You saw the racist abuse thing after England didn't win the Euros. It's absolutely shameful that so many people think it's OK to send someone death threats, JUST BECAUSE THEIR SKIN IS A DIFFERENT COLOUR. Encouraged by the Sun. The tabloids are the cancer of this country, our society would be much better without them I think, but we're stuck with them. They killed Princess Diana. A woman who was in the prime of her life, so happy, and bang... killed by the tabloids. There was a massive outpouring of emotion, but did it stop anyone from buying the tabloids? No. Nobody learns. I've read on this site, all this woke this woke that. Prince Harry has been accused of being woke. Cos he married a mixed race woman, and he doesn't want her to end up like his Mum. Think about it. Not "woke", a loving human being.

I don't get the woke thing. It's just a word that has been invented to describe someone who cares for social justice, and is right on. Can someone please explain to me why that's so bad? I really don't get it. Why are kind people a problem? Could it be, that there are just a lot of people who aren't very kind?

Back onto the media, they are totally corrupt, lying bullshtters. GB News is really struggling, so to boost ratings, they decided to attack the Trans community. To boost ratings! I guess that's more entertaining for the sort of people who watch it. I am now going to say something. I don't care who you are, but just realise this. Trans people are being treated just like gays were 20 or 30 years ago. The media do this to sell papers, and make money. Rupert Murdoch is Australian, he's an immigrant, but his papers bang on about immigration. Fcking hypocrite. The demonisation of Trans people is just part of a large scale war by the right wing/neo nazi movement. Are any of you reading this wondering now? It's part of a nazi thing. Caring for children is one thing, but demonising a group of people who just happened to be so unlucky that they were born in the wrong body is another. Have a heart, people. No transgender person wants to hurt you, or your children. They are not dangerous to anyone, the women's toilets, shelters, changing rooms in clothes shops... This is the truth. You don't get the truth in the papers. The papers don't have anyone's best interest at heart, they are just trying to make money.

I've said what I needed to say. I came on Mumsnet cos I'd heard of it, and I wanted to see how people think. I've received quite a bit of abuse off people, quite nasty, and some questions about my level of intelligence. Don't worry, I'm intelligent, and I won't stoop to the level of insulting someone else for being different, or having different opinions.

I am a feminist. There, I said it. I would die to protect a woman. So how come so many so called feminists are against Trans women? Do you actually believe a Trans woman is going to rape you in the toilets? NEWS! Trans women don't hurt or kill women, MEN DO. Trans women are not men. No Trans woman wants to hurt you. It's just the sort of fcked up shtbag men that want to hurt you.

If anyone wants to comment on anything I wrote, feel free. Make it intelligent, no gratuitous abuse please X

OP posts:
MilesJuppIsMyBitch · 01/08/2021 11:37

What is your response to @Chickenyhead 's story, OP? It's pretty gut-wrenching, and relevant, and yet you have made no comment.

Why should this be all about you?

KevinBaconsJeans · 01/08/2021 11:37

No such thing as born in the wrong body. If we had male genitalia we'd be male.

OP you sound distressed. You aren't going to convince us here that twaw and males are no threat to women if they identify a certain way.

I think you may be better off contacting the samaritans or someone to discuss how you're feeling. Go well

www.samaritans.org/

Original poster
Nefelibata33 · 01/08/2021 11:31

Hi everyone. Me again

Can I just say to the people that suggested that I "hate women". What planet do you live on? I really want to try and work out how some of you think, because if you think that I hate women, you're just insane. I think I'm probably never going to get through to some of you that I'm not "dangerous".... I mean people posting stuff about trans women raping and murdering women and children. PLEASE! When has that ever happened?

I despair. I really do. I'm not trying to have a go at anyone, but it seems that my very existence is enough to provoke ill feeling. I just want you to know that trans women don't hate women, are not a danger to women, are not a danger to children, are not a danger to anyone. Where has this idea come from?

I have nothing but love for people, I much prefer female company, I can't emphasise enough how much I think all women are fantastic. I'll never be able to call myself one, but does it really matter? Why do we have to argue about stuff? JK Rowling feels very strongly about definitions. If I can't call myself a woman, am I allowed to call myself a Trans woman? Does that bother anyone? Does any of this really matter? No one is trying to steal anything from anyone, or force anything on anyone.

I always try to put myself in someone else's shoes, when I talk to them. Put yourself in my shoes. You're all female, how would you like it if you'd been born with male genitalia? You wouldn't be very happy would you? It happens to some unlucky people. Do you think I enjoy being like this? No. I'm about as low as it gets, in modern day UK. But I'm still a human being, and I would just like to get some sort of feeling that I'm not the antichrist, or a danger to humanity, or a danger to children, or whatever. Can't anyone see that?

OP posts:
Jorriss · 01/08/2021 11:26

Chickenyhead I'm so sorry that happened to you. Flowers 😢

Datun · 01/08/2021 11:23

@Nefelibata33 You are talking to adult women who work in various sectors including the women's sector (Rape Crisis, women's shelters), social work, prisons, hospitals, the Civil Service, education, and the public sector.

As a result, we have a good grasp of equality and employment laws, and many of us have direct experience of the kind of situations that you talk about. Or ignore.

Instead of coming here to lecture, why don't you read some threads and ask some questions?

Like others, it strikes me that a lot of individuals who post like the OP aren't really interested in the nitty-gritty of either women's lives, or the legalities and frameworks surrounding equality law and child protection.

It's not big picture enough. It doesn't fit on a placard saying trans rights are human rights. Try as they might, they can't find the soundbite.

It's dull, they can't bring themselves to give it any headroom. When faced with the reality that women end up in rape refuges due to male violence, and therefore don't want to see any males, they can't legitimately formulate the outrage required to retaliate.

There is no evidence here, at all, that women hate people because they are transgender. But I'm sure the OP will find some, nonetheless.

Eyesofdisarray · 01/08/2021 11:21

OP your sex was obvious from your post.
You plea for understanding but don't extend that courtesy to women. Have you even read any replies to your vitriol?? There are many posts here that will break it down for you- or even a quick Google would assist you.
You sound as if you are coming from a place of anger and hurt; I hope you have some real life support.

KevinBaconsJeans · 01/08/2021 11:14

If OP is still watching, here's a little reminder...

Women are not 'non-player characters' in a game. We're not extras in the film of a man's life. We're not support humans there to make men's lives easier. We still exist when men leave the room.

We are fully-rounded humans with hopes and dreams of our own. We have fears, regrets and secrets. We have hobbies and responsibilities, and we maintain relationships with people we love (and those we don't). We have opionions and you may not like some of them. We get angry.

Women are human.

WarriorN · 01/08/2021 11:09

Whether the op is US or U.K., GNC Ben is young, US and describes a number of issues in the trans community very well in this YouTube film. Specifically coercion.

MilesJuppIsMyBitch · 01/08/2021 11:08

When the OP ignored @Chickenyhead 's story, it actually made my stomach clench. That level of self-absorption is pretty breath-taking, and surely implies either extreme youth or extraordinary emotional immaturity.

 Thanks for @Chickenyhead

Clymene · 01/08/2021 11:04

And FYI OP, I'm afraid that half of the transwomen currently incarcerated in U.K. prisons are in there for sex offences. So your assertion that they never pose a risk to women and children is manifestly false.

Jackgrealishscurtains · 01/08/2021 10:57

Do you actually believe a Trans woman is going to rape you in the toilets? NEWS! Trans women don't hurt or kill women, MEN DO. Trans women are not men. No Trans woman wants to hurt you. It's just the sort of fcked up shtbag men that want to hurt you.

I would say it's incredibly dangerous to push a narrative that someone who is in a very high risk class of person (ie. Male) can come out of that high risk class and become zero risk, simply by declaring themselves to no longer be in that class.

What you have said there is the equivalent of me saying to an employer who wants a DBS check from me 'Do you actually believe I am going to hurt a child? NEWS! I don't hurt children! I'm not doing a DBS, it's really hurtful to me that you are tarring me with the same brush as everyone else, how can you think that of me, if I wanted to hurt a child I wouldn't go to all the effort of applying for jobs in a school would I, there are loads of ways I could do it.'

The more you go on about it, the more suspicious it makes people tbh.

What is the difference between a transwoman and a man, apart from their inner feelings?

Thelnebriati · 01/08/2021 10:54

@Clymene

I think the OP is in the U.K. because their syntax is British. But I think they've got their entire understanding of healthcare from the internet so I'm hoping they're actually as young as they sound.
My impression is that OP is young and has been fed this information by other people. None of the info in the rant is accurate or first hand.

@Nefelibata33 You are talking to adult women who work in various sectors including the women's sector (Rape Crisis, women's shelters), social work, prisons, hospitals, the Civil Service, education, and the public sector.

As a result, we have a good grasp of equality and employment laws, and many of us have direct experience of the kind of situations that you talk about. Or ignore.

Instead of coming here to lecture, why don't you read some threads and ask some questions?

Waitwhat23 · 01/08/2021 10:34

When I see a thread title on this board with the words 'some thoughts' or 'discuss' or 'educate yourself!!!', I know before opening it what the gist is going to be. It's always, always 'you hateful bigots, TWAW!'

Never a thoughtful discussion about the issues of people who are male (however they identify) in female spaces. Just a 'shut up women, you're wrong'.

It's very telling. No debate, no evidence, right?

Clymene · 01/08/2021 10:28

I think the OP is in the U.K. because their syntax is British. But I think they've got their entire understanding of healthcare from the internet so I'm hoping they're actually as young as they sound.

Datun · 01/08/2021 10:27

@StrawberrySquirrelThief

Haven’t read the full thread but this from the OP stood out to me:

Trans women are NOT men. If you believe that, you've got no fcking clue, and you don't know what you're talking about.*

Just swap the ‘men’ for ‘women’ then you might have some idea why women are angry too.

It's the transparent aggression that's so predictable. No actual argument or explanation. Just anger.
StrawberrySquirrelThief · 01/08/2021 10:24

Haven’t read the full thread but this from the OP stood out to me:

Trans women are NOT men. If you believe that, you've got no fcking clue, and you don't know what you're talking about.*

Just swap the ‘men’ for ‘women’ then you might have some idea why women are angry too.

TheWeeDonkey · 01/08/2021 10:11

I continue to be impressed by the posters who take the time to post measured and considerate responses, I really lack the patience in the face of such foolishness. Maybe its because my GP has a policy of nor prescribing HRT for early menopause who know's?

Flowers Chickenyhead I'm sorry for what you've been through and that OP has dismissed your experience so blithely.

MiladyBerserko · 01/08/2021 10:09

Think John Cleese was way ahead of the postmodernist

m.youtube.com/watch?v=vZw35VUBdzo

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 01/08/2021 10:03

OP, you are welcome to your beliefs, but if they don’t fit in with reality people are obviously going to disagree. Stating trans women are not men is like saying “My cat talks to me in English”. You may believe this, but you can’t reasonably be offended if others don’t.

You say I am a feminist. There, I said it. I would die to protect a woman. So how come so many so called feminists are against Trans women? Do you actually believe a Trans woman is going to rape you in the toilets? NEWS! Trans women don't hurt or kill women, MEN DO. Trans women are not men.

You have made several statements that can easily be disproved. Look on Mumsnet “this never happens” thread, or transcrimeuk.com, for many examples of transwomen hurting and killing women. Also killing children and men.

Far from being penalised, male criminals who tell the court they are trans have recently been given non-custodial sentences because the judge reckons they would have a bad time in prison.

At the other end of the importance scale, Rupert Murdoch is a US citizen. My Australian friends point out that he dropped his Australian citizenship to make more money in the USA.

334bu · 01/08/2021 10:00

Amnesty get involved?

Hope parrot's not in Ireland as Amnesty Ireland would probably send the Gardai round.

BaronMunchausen · 01/08/2021 09:56

there's absolutely no reason why anyone should ever know what's down there

Being celibate is fine, but please don’t ever forget your body’s biology. - Eg get your prostate checked once you hit 50 - and make sure your GP knows ‘what’s down there’.

OhHolyJesus · 01/08/2021 09:53

Oh I saw that parrot thing Confused

Poor Pretty Polly is probably trying to escape her cage only to be locked up due to a non-crime crime.

Should PETA and Amnesty get involved?

MiladyBerserko · 01/08/2021 09:46

What on earth should be done about this parrot?

Do hate speech laws apply?

mobile.twitter.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1421412560604180484

WarriorN · 01/08/2021 09:38

@AlfonsoTheMango

tl;dr: Women - think this way, act this way.

Yep.

Basically mansplaining.

Bawdrip · 01/08/2021 09:35

Yes, OP no need to announce what genitals you have. We could all tell instantly that you are male. Despite rejecting all male stereotypes (good) your male entitlement and hatred towards women entered the room with you. We also know you are American. The UK has counties not states. This is only relevant because you seem intent on spreading lies about our NHS yet I'd wager you've had no experience with the NHS. I still wish you well and hope you have a good mental health support.