To draw your attention to this thread?

There was a depressing feel of 'what's wrong with children seeing the genitals and naked bodies of adults?' on that thread. It really is becoming normalised in society. To what end?

I’ll admit @Makeupyourmind when I initially saw your other post I thought you were overreacting, for some reason I felt uncomfortable with your use of the word “perversion”.

I specifically didn’t comment at the time because I knew I needed to reflect on why I had such a dismissive attitude to your phrasing, I’m still struggling to put my finger on it.

I don’t think ywbu, but yeah, I’m still really conflicted. I’m sure many people on your other thread feel similarly but fell into the pile on.

(If anyone has any insight or ideas as to where my internal conflict may arise from in open to it)

I agree OP.

Whether silly or not, it is undeniably sexualised and in a position I hope never to see my children in.

Ugh...some of those comments...

Are they regular posters? Because if so that's depressing.

I saw that thread and didn't comment- hadn't seen the programme.

Now that @Chickenyhead has posted a shot of what was on the screen, then, yeah, I am bothered.
If my 5yo son sat with his legs akimbo as in the 2nd picture, I'd think that I was doing something wrong. I'd correct him and insist that other people dont need to see that.

It's not prudery...it's asserting boundaries about what is/isn't appropriate.

Minimising people's right to assert their boundaries is a power move.

Maybe when men stop flashing at women and children, or claiming to be women in order to live out their fantasies in order to take their penises into women's spaces, women and children might be less likely to be bothered by supposedly innocent and daft exposure of male genitals in front of them, highame. It might be worth reflecting on what reaction men would be likely to have to a similar innocent exposure of female genitalia to them. And why it would be so different.

I have never found nakedness an issue. There is a tendency to link too many things together so that nudity automatically equates with perversion. I don't know what the programme is, but I'm sure my family would find this silly rather than shocking. We are used to seeing naked men in foreign films (as a family) and usually someone yells out 'ooh a willy' and back we go to watching. I also remember all the debates about women always being the ones whose bodies were on display and men discretely covered. We thought that sexist.

I don't think (but I could be wrong) that nakedness, of itself is a feminist issue. Flashing and perversion are, for sure because they are linked to dominance, but this display is just daft. trying to get shocked laughter, so not worth much of a thought in my book.

Totally agree, OP. Since when was it deemed that men's desire to expose themselves trumped women's and children's desire not to have genitals waved at them? Since forever probably, I guess....

I saw the thread, and was utterly gobsmacked at some of the responses. A few months ago, we were all devastated and outraged at the murder of Sarah Everard. Her murderer was a known flasher.

Sick of being made to feel that when safe-guarding issues are raised, we get gaslighted and told we are 'old' or 'phobic' or prudes.

Thanks for the picture, chickenyhead. I read the thread yesterday in AIBU and also felt frustrated. The original post used the word “perversion” and lots of people seemed to object to that, which I guess comes down to the current drive to normalise all things sexual. Having seen the pictures, I can see why she said it. It definitely looks like something a man would do to get sexual kicks, probably related to exhibitionism.

@FrankButchersDickieBow I think the thread likely will be taken down as a TAAT if you leave it in its current form. Might you be able to rephrase it so it’s not about the other thread, but a feminist issue about how this stuff is being normalized in society or similar? You could contact Mumsnet staff then and ask them if they’d mind changing it, rather than removing it.

It does feel.a bit like.... Men just want to flash us and are working through the loopholes in order to do it.

Yes I saw that thread. I wasn't impressed if this is how parents think now.

The genitals were obscured but it still feels wrong to me.