Shameful, incoherent, poorly referenced, completely biased piece of 'journalism' from the Guardian

Viewing as a pure piece of journalism, what the fuck is that?!? I don't think I've ever read such a poorly written, incoherent and crappy researched article! Have we no standards left in journalism?! That is a piece of lower quality than you find in The Sun ffs! Just appalling.

How is deliberate intent proved in a naked spa that allows transwomen with penises in with naked women and children?

I mean removing clothing and going in the women’s section rather than wearing a swimsuit and attending the mixed session seems... unintentional?

Always so funny hearing TRAs whining about 'smear campaigns'. I always wonder if it's a freudian slip because they're scrolling through the latest Katy Montgomerie word salad on another tab and it just slips out unconsciously.

Obviously people are entitled to post honestly and accurately about experiences that they can hand on heart vouch for, but for anyone tempted to fabricate stories, intentionally mislead through embellishment, or knowingly distribute false accounts ....well, that is extremely serious, and should be taken seriously by authorities. At least on social media and online forums there is good evidence of what is occurring for criminal cases to be made, and owners of sites can usually be compelled to hand information over.

If on the other hand it can be established that someone was acting inappropriately in that spa, beyond what state laws permit, by exposing with deliberate intent to distress others, that is very serious too and requires appropriate action to prosecute, and safeguarding steps within the spa.

So yeah, if there's an investigation I'm glad of it.

I hope our visitors are enjoying their practise at gish galloping because they're going to need to be good at it going forward.

This totally legal thing, that activists fought for and won, which simultaneously never happens is going to keep happening with increasing frequency.

So they're going to need to keep those rebuttal skills sharp as more and more people see through the inconsistent propaganda.

Or the Guardian staff-activists who are agitating for the right to have the thing-that-never-happened....happen?

This is the Guardian’s response to all the women who complained about the original “report”.

It will never darken my door again.

If it doesn’t happen do TW want it?

F they’re not using facilities they are legally entitled to?

Seems like a waste of time, money and effort to create laws for something that isn’t used/wanted.

Of all of the absolute ridiculous takes on the issue, the 'if you object to seeing a dick in a female only space then you are right wing' is one of the most stupid!

TERFS

Because it is fodder for GC hate.

Very useful.

Like the new victim transwomen who "appeared " to claim it was them.

Those evil TERMS.

Poor ickle men.

The most bizarre thing for me was why the hooha. From the 50% never happened people.

The get over it people were honest. Self ID into anything marked women/ female. Was fought for and won. It's law in California. Their response made sense in the context. Even if they failed to see any issue with teaching children that being naked with naked penis people/ a stranger with exposed penis around is not a problem at all.

The second group. Seem hell bent on it never happened. Why? This is the law that was fought for.

Arguments like no reports to police (says anon source). Why would anyone report it to the police when nothing illegal has happened?

The police are investigating. I find it hard to believe that the police in California have nothing more pressing to do than investigate things that aren't crimes.

The women and girls in bathrobes who had clearly just left in s rush. They are either invisible or involved in the 'hoax'.
The man who told the woman she was transphobic. He understands the law.

And in the end. Why would anyone bother with an elaborate hoax with extras etc. When the law says the thing that was set up. Is completely legal and AOK?

It just doesn't make sense.

In the end it seems these people are aok with self ID everywhere so a male in there is fine.
But simultaneously it's not fine and a police matter etc.

It's illogical and nonsensical.

Maybe she is a right wing nutter.

Who knows. Why does it matter?

She's a woman in a spa where girls and women have no clothes on and a bepenised person came in.

Is it only right wing nutters (female) who would not like that at all?

Of course not.

It's irrelevant. What's relevant is what happened. The response. The other women and children standing around who had obviously left quick.

The people at the desk not being slightly interested.
The man berating her on the basis that a person with a dick in the women's spa. Must be a trans woman. And therefore the women who left are transphobic.

And the response was interesting.

50% this never happened it's somehow been set up.

50% women and girls need to get used to random naked people with penises being present when everyone is naked.

So that's strange isn't it.

She wasn’t a “right wing nutter”. She’s a black women who is also a Christian.

It’s funny how people objecting to males exposing their semi erect penises to children are “right wing nutters” and “anti-paedophile protesters”

They mean the woman who complained.

pheebumbalatti you didn't answer the question at all.

Let's say that there was a naked person with a male body in the women's spa, with the naked women and girls.

That's fine isn't it?
They have the law that says this is fine.

So the situation is not a problem.

Why does it matter what religion anyone is. From the video it's obviously what happened. I know you don't agree.

If you accepted it had happened. Then that's great isn't it? The law is working.

Yes?

Who's the right wing nutter? I'm so confused now.

pheebumbalatti

Hello!

Can you explain one thing I'm confused about.

Why would anyone have reported a male body in the naked spa to the police when no law has been broken?

I wonder if they will cover this: www.dacbeachcroft.com/en/articles/2021/july/25-000-ico-fine-is-no-drop-in-the-ocean-for-mermaids/ in the Guardian

It's all a bit "It wasn't me." but mainly The Guardian is stirring a very full pot. It is just so hate filled, and doesn't really put the trans community in a good light

Anyone else really fancy a Wispa?

Because it's nonsense. But yer, covid is also caused by 5G right?