Jessica Alves talks about a womb transplant.......

Also sorry for derailing. I realise this had trans as a focus point

I'm sorry, Gotham that sounds very hard all round.

Id' be wary of seeing transplanted uterus as a solution. The 30% live baby outcome is pretty good - that's the same as IVF in under 35s, but I'd be interested if they have records of whether viable foetuses were lost because of complications from medication/transplant/AN Other.

Good luck with finding out information and if you do, then let us know.
thanks

Thank you all. Now that I’m older and earn what I earn I could do a surrogate in another country where I am a citizen. However at 51 to mother an infant is a purely selfish endeavour.

During the failed adoption I was 40 so I put 8 years of age to 10. Young people who can raise a child to adulthood is right and just.

Gotham

GothamGirl1970

@EmbarrassingAdmissions thanks for that support. I cried after I posted. I walked into the matching after a night of no sleep from excitement and anticipation. Tomorrow I would be a mum. Walking out my mom who flew 10,000 miles to become a grandmother had to hold me up because I was hysterical. I has already booked the adoption maternity leave from my employer. Boss company colleagues had sent cards flowers and a gift basket to be there at my house after the meeting.

It was hell. My mom had to call my boss I was literally mute. He gave me 2 weeks off and just put it as bereavement not against my holiday.

Thankfully I now have 6 Godchildren but it’s a hole for both my mother and for me.

I was asking for myself. I’m too old now but just wondered if there was hope for women like me who never got to be mums because of cancer at age 30.

I think the motivation for research in circumstances like yours is strong and it will be included in the research looking at doing this. The drive to research this differs in some countries because of different rules around surrogate pregnancies. Eg, if a healthcare system permits altruistic surrogacy involving a family member, then there might not be the same driver for that country to be at the forefront of research in womb transplants.

If a healthcare system doesn't allow that sort of surrogacy arrangement, then they might see value in investing in womb transplants for some groups and then expand beyond that.

It’s a heartbreaker still for me, but the care system and adoption system in the U.K. needs a complete overhaul in my opinion.

I couldn't agree more. Some of the experiences of the much-loved and much-missed foster carer Earth Mother I'm Not are still available on MN and are an eye-opener.

@RVN123 @EmbarrassingAdmissions

I was asking for myself. I’m too old now but just wondered if there was hope for women like me who never got to be mums because of cancer at age 30.

I have been approved to adopt here after an arduous process and at the match meeting was matched with 2 children over 10 who were so damaged from years of care and abuse that even with the resources I have for specialist therapies etc., there was just too much damage. The one child had pulled knives on 3 previous foster mothers.

It’s a heartbreaker still for me, but the care system and adoption system in the U.K. needs a complete overhaul in my opinion.

tl;dr version: so far, these have been done in women with DSD or whose uterus has been affected for various reasons.

Research may well expand to incorporate women who have had a hysterectomy for reasons that you outline.

Today, there are some countries and healthcare systems looking to do more advanced research in various groups as part of their commitment to 'reproductive justice'.

What if it was a bio woman by birth (sorry for not sure on terminology) who had say a hysterectomy at a young age due to cancer.

I know that organ donation exists, This is the first I have ever heard the concept womb transplant. Is it even medically possible?

I suspect the likeliest outcome of any such attempt is necrosis and am accompanying threat to the life of the implant recipient. I hope, without much confidence, that potential donors and recipients will not find surgeons willing to get involved.

But when I consider the evident glee with which what is effectively a celebrity surgeon publicises his growing tally of sliced-off young women's healthy breasts, I despair of the profession and its gatekeepers.

All I can say is that if I'm wrong and I've underestimated the influence and reach of this movement - insidious, ubiquitous and the most dangerous assault on women's rights I've seen in my lifetime - then women are seriously fucked.

This actually makes me feel ill. Surely no sane medical professional anywhere would actually think this is ethical to do?

FFS we live in a world where women can't even easily choose to have a c-section if that's what they want. Yet apparently some think it's progressive for men to implant our wombs in their bodies.

Wtaf. Is all I have left really.

It would mean implanting not just a uterus, but the attached vagina, fallopian tubes and ovaries, too, if a 'natural' conception and birth is to be even a remote possibility. Presumable these organs would have to be harvested from a young, healthy donor who has died by trauma that has not impacted her abdominal organs. 😥

My guess is that there will be pressure on young transmen to ‘be kind’ and hand over their reproductive systems.

'Conceive naturally'. This person is clearly ill and this hope, if genuinely held, is a delusion. To provide medical affirmation of a fantasy in this way has to be incredibly damaging to that individual.

I find it hard to see that any ethics committee could possibly give its stamp of approval to such a procedure. For a child to be born in these circumstances would obviously be impossible, so that is a question they can clearly discount. But enabling such a procedure in affirmation of a patient's delusion - and it is a delusion - has ethical implications of its own and raises serious questions about that person's mental wellbeing.

What Jessica is saying to the papers is likely a far cry from what's said by medical professionals and ethics committees, because Jessica's grasp on material facts is severely limited. Jessica is physically incapable - ever - of bearing a baby, is in flagrant denial of biological reality, and apparently has no understanding of what a woman actually is. This is the ultimate manifestation of 'TWAW'; a stance unlikely to lead anywhere good for individuals like Jessica who I've no doubt are leading their lives in a very tortured, unhappy state.

Despite everything, I have enormous sympathy for Jessica. It's a truly sad, pitiful story.

Today's report about the appalling safeguarding fails in Lambeth should remind people how easy it is for determined adults to harm children with the ignorant collusion of politically captured adults.

The ethics of the surgeons repeatedly altering them must be questionable

This.

oops. I should have written:

There have been difficulties with adverse immune responses in individual patients but in those cases the male recipient's body rejects an organ from a female donor because it is not the recipient's "self" not because the organ is from a female donor.

I think ethics will not prevent attempts to transfer a uterus from a female person into a male person. There are plenty of unethical doctors.

My prediction is that attempts will eventually stop because every attempt will fail (at least for the next 200 years).

Transplantation of organs from donors of one sex to recipients of the other sex, is only successful for organs, for example heart, lungs, kidney, which can function in a body of either sex. There have been difficulties with adverse immune responses in individual patients but in those cases the male recipient's body rejects an organ from a female donor because it is not the donor's "self" not because the organ is from a female donor. Fix the immune response of the patient and the new heart will be a direct replacement for the old heart. The heart from a female person does not need a female body. A female heart in a male body will still function (although doctors have learned that outcomes are more successful if a female donor and male recipient have similar body size because the stresses on the heart's function depend largely on body size).

Inserting a female person's uterus into a male person will fail because a uterus needs a female body.

Goodness, people like JA who think they can simply buy a womb and birth a baby really do see us as just incubation vessels and have no idea of what pregnancy and childbirth is remotely about and how complex it is.

Jessica was a very ordinary sort of man

Now she’s quite an extraordinary… person.

Thereby creating an income and feeding an unhealthy addiction (to extremes).