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Jessica Alves talks about a womb transplant.......

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RVN123 · 27/07/2021 12:06

You probably know of this trans person, has been in the media a LOT due to plastic surgery etc.
Has recently transitioned. Was in the press a few days ago saying they could not wait to lose their 'virginity' with a man, and now is hoping for a 'womb transplant'.
Do you think this will ever be possible? My thinking is (hopefully) not. Too many hurdles to overcome (synthetic hormones, anti rejection drugs, pelvis wrong shape, no way to give birth naturally, how to replicate changing hormones during a pregnancy etc ).
Is that all it takes now to be a woman? A plastic surgeon and shoving in a donated uterus? Makes me feel deeply uneasy, I pray no ethics committee will ever allow this to happen.
Its all a bit Frankensteinian.
Thoughts?

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FeatheredHope · 29/07/2021 18:31

Where is all this money coming from?

From family.
www.express.co.uk/life-style/life/1008670/rodrigo-alves-net-worth-celebrity-big-brother-2018

Imagine being that obscenely wealthy and not actually doing anything worthwhile with it.

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 29/07/2021 17:03

The 'period envy' is fetishism. No other word for it.

I'm a member of a women's support group on Facebook, having long suffered with endometriosis (bet the fetishists don't fancy a bout of that, because it bloody hurts). This is what I saw unfold:

Trans woman joins. Plies group for advice all about their 'periods' (which they don't have). Asks three times as many questions as everyone else: other women all answer it in good faith. Then starts to get all invasive, asking the women in that group about the smell of their neo-vag, asking them if they got aroused by their own smell.

It was repulsive. It was a women's group and I've never yet - having been a member of numerous women's support groups including gynae health, infertility, breastfeeding etc - heard of any woman asking questions as these. Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck with ringing bells and flashing red lights on it ... BUT ...

Of course some of the fools humoured it. GC feminist then turns up, not unreasonably wanting to know why on earth people were humouring this fetishist freakery.

Umpteen warnings go out from mods saying transphobic bigotry will not be tolerated here. GC critical questioner banned from group.

I'm sure this is a sport to them.

Keepemguessing · 29/07/2021 12:30

It's utterly revolting that they hate actual women so much.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 29/07/2021 12:18

What they want is several days a month when they can have dozens of the #bekind handmaidens telling them they're marvellous for coping with periods and advising them to eat lots of chocolate and go to bed with a hot water bottle. They don't want the reality of menstruation, which for many of us is extremely painful, humiliating, wearing and messy, with very little sympathy from anyone else.

Bythemillpond · 29/07/2021 11:19

They really don’t want to have periods with all the bloating, pms, cramps and pain.
They just want to bleed once per month.

And i am sure they don’t want to go through menopause.

EmpressWitchDoesntBurn · 29/07/2021 09:06

@Ereshkigalangcleg

They do want to have periods because they will feel more feminine:

In addition, most respondents agreed or strongly agreed that the ability to gestate and give birth to children (171 [94%]) and menstruate (161 [88%]) would enhance perceptions of their femininity.

If they think that bleeding & cramping for a week every month is 'feminine' they're welcome to it.
Ereshkigalangcleg · 29/07/2021 08:50

They do want to have periods because they will feel more feminine:

In addition, most respondents agreed or strongly agreed that the ability to gestate and give birth to children (171 [94%]) and menstruate (161 [88%]) would enhance perceptions of their femininity.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 29/07/2021 08:45

[quote Oncewasblueandyellowtwo]A recent study found that over 90% of 182 trans women respondants, would like a uterus transplant to feel more feminine, alleviate dysphoria and improve quality of life.

jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2775302[/quote]
Fantasy, of course. The reality of being a woman in her fertile years, dealing with periods and the risk/realities of pregnancy and childbirth are not what they're after at all. I doubt the open discrimination against women of childbearing age in the world of work would go down well either.

mumwon · 28/07/2021 18:49

So lets forget about the pelvis not being the right shape or size or depth
& think about the urological bit - not only would they have to reshape/alter the penis etc but they would have to remove the prostate & change the male urological placement & shape -
Giving a woman who does not have a womb a transplant is completely different & if my (vague)recollection of a successful case it isn't even permanent - I think it was removed after the women became a mother - probably because of the ongoing medication.
Perhaps someone should warn Jessica that she would be vulnerable to covid -

Helleofabore · 28/07/2021 18:42

It has been said that it may be against the law not to allow transwomen have uterus implants.

I see this logic as one of the end goals.

When Ivy/MacKinnon states 'It is simply inconsistent and hypocritical to grant that trans women are “women” but not “female” and that trans women should not compete against "female" athletes.' You can really see what activists end game is.

This activist just said the quiet bit out loud to remind us all, in case we were lulled into a false sense that these males understood the reality of their bodies.

TheSkatesOfCoachBombay · 28/07/2021 18:36

All I can see in my mind is Arnold Schwarzenegger in Jnr 😂😂

Or the life of Brian "I want a baby" scene 😂😂

There's a reason this always given comedic value...because it's a joke 🙄

Naunet · 28/07/2021 18:29

We’re not even close to it. A recent experiment in China with rats, showed the scientists literally having to stitch the female to the male to sustain the pregnancy in the males body. Pregnancy needs a female body to support it, not simply a uterus. Current putting a uterus into a man’s body would kill him.

However, men seem so obsessed with colonising this female only experience, that I think they’ll get there one day. They can’t stand the idea that women can do something they can’t.

Oncewasblueandyellowtwo · 28/07/2021 18:24

nauticant

"It is about trying to change how people think by assuming a medical horror is a run-of-the-mill thing just round the corner. It's Overton Window stuff, not science."

The shift in narrative is that transwomen are the same as women who have fertility issues, or the same as women who are infertile.
It has been said that it may be against the law not to allow transwomen have uterus implants.

EmpressWitchDoesntBurn · 28/07/2021 18:18

re. Lili Elbe (The Danish Girl) Have to add though that this was in the 1930s and I'm not sure what the ethical process was in those days or even if there was one! Does anyone know?

There’s a passage in Helen Joyce’s book, Trans, about the surgery done on Elbe. It mentions ovaries being taken from ‘a young woman’, then later explains that doctors used to blame practically all women’s ills on ‘hysteria’ & would remove their reproductive organs as a kind of catch-all cure. I would guess Elbe’s uterus came from a similar source.

It was chilling.

Oncewasblueandyellowtwo · 28/07/2021 18:17

Paper on transmen being potential donors for transwomen.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29379666/

Oncewasblueandyellowtwo · 28/07/2021 18:12

A paper discussing uterine transplantation in transgender women.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6492192/

Oncewasblueandyellowtwo · 28/07/2021 18:07

A recent study found that over 90% of 182 trans women respondants, would like a uterus transplant to feel more feminine, alleviate dysphoria and improve quality of life.

jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2775302

RVN123 · 28/07/2021 15:49

@GothamGirl1970

Also sorry for derailing. I realise this had trans as a focus point
No need to apologise, I am sorry for what you have been through.

In response to a PP, I read somewhere that they are a trust fund baby, and all the money comes from an inheritance.

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TheMarzipanDildo · 28/07/2021 15:34

MagpiePi That scene never gets old Grin

GothamGirl1970 · 28/07/2021 15:11

Just a weird thought

I looked up this person and they have spent over £1M on “procedures “ and every photo I saw was designer everything and blingtastic watches etc.

Then they showed his tiny studio apt somewhere. Where is all this money coming from?

Also clearly this person has some issues. I think a doctor who would operate on such a person should be struck off

StrangeLookingParasite · 28/07/2021 15:02

I think this person is addicted to surgery. They reached the maximum amount of surgery possible when they were their birth sex, then used transitioning as a reason to have more.
I think psychological help is needed, not more surgery.
Only because there is affirmation only was this person allowed to transition. I think they're one of the worst possible candidates because of their other issues.

Spidey66 · 28/07/2021 14:34

@MagpiePi
Ahead of their time!

MagpiePi · 28/07/2021 13:51

"..he can't actually have babies, not having a womb, which is nobody's fault, not even the Romans..."

MagpiePi · 28/07/2021 13:49

Just putting this out there...again....

Spidey66 · 28/07/2021 13:45

You dont need a womb to feel like a real woman anyway. I've had a hysterectomy. I no longer have a womb. I'm still a woman!!!!

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