Is it only white middle class women who are GC?

I think it's usually the opposite. I'm a high school drop out, working class woman and could see this nonsense a mile off.

Plus, loads of older TRAs - e.g. Peter Tatchell and Billy Bragg to name just two.

tbh I don't think class has anything to do with it.

Don't you think Gender Critical people are mainly the older generation?

Off the top of my head- Stock, Bindel, Marion Miller, JK Rolwing, Graham Glinehan. All middle-aged/older.

I've seen photos of LGB Alliance meetings and it's all middle-aged and old men and women with not a young person in sight.

Now think about the people who are trans-supportive/not gender-critical- the students who protested against Stock's employment, many Stonewall supporters, the young people who chanted "trans lives matter" to the person wearing LGB Alliance attire to get him to leave at the pride event etc

From this observation, there's an age gap of a generation between gender-criticals and trans-supportive people.

What caused this thread to be resurrected?

Aja's definitely not white middle class. Show him this.

As a working class woman, I'd say the opposite. Yes, I'm white, but most of the TWAW I know are middle class people/teens living in a bit of a bubble and actually more likely to be male too. I'm surprised how many GC women I actually know when I carefully broach the subject, two are disabled, I suspect being vulnerable makes someone more aware of risks.

Working class women and black/ minority ethnic women are more likely to be imprisoned, and therefore more likely to be incarcerated with man in a dress, (probably a sex offender) who claims he is a woman.

The reason w/c and BAME women don't spend a lot of time kvetching over the problem of trans women invading womens spaces, is because most poor women are focused on survival, not ideology.

Having now seen it, I wholeheartedly agree. @Yesindeedydoodey you have some anger issues to resolve there.

Same here, I've just seen it. I'm not surprised it was deleted.

@Helleofabore Just caught up with your explanation at 9 something yesterday. Thank you. I pretty much have the same opinion as you. I'm seriously against discrimination of non binary or trans people, but at the same time I don't think they are actually the same as women, or have identical experience. I just didn't understand the acronyms. So thank you.

All self id requires is for any man to just say they're a woman. And, presto, they have a right to be there.

And in the case of WiSpa the male bodied person in the female sauna was assumed to be a transwoman by just by the fact of being in the female sauna by the wokebro who came to his* defence when women complained.

And no request to drop any pants for a genital inspection required. I think the 6 and 9 year old girls got far more information than they wanted or needed.

*used male pronouns as no one has actually come forward to announce their preference.

turning my comments about transwomen into comments about males.

Are you also denying science to the degree that you wish to assert that transwomen are not males there @Yesindeedydoodey.

Shall we just add keep mentioning your science denying along with your misogyny, racism and homophobia. (Because lesbians and black women, as per your post, are actually female believe it or not. As as such pose no risk other than that of any other woman.)

Is there a bit of new trope to discuss indeedy because you really are stuck on the toilet thing and continually use the same arguments and insults. They always are just as entrenched as you seem to be in that misogyny, racism and homophobic quagmire.

But at least in the wording from your post last night, we can probably assume that you are not trans yourself, but have appointed yourself some kind of spokesperson. Rather presumptuous of you, isn't it? Centring yourself, the way you have, in issues that don't actually include you?

Get help. Your anger towards women is not normal.

Having now seen it, I wholeheartedly agree. @Yesindeedydoodey you have some anger issues to resolve there.

I saw what you wrote, yesindeedydoody.

Get help. Your anger towards women is not normal.

@Yesindeedydoodey

Thanks for clearing up for everyone that transwomen will become violent towards women if they don't get what they want, rather than engage with women in a sane and civil manner.

What a shame they will use their superior strength to physically attack women rather than talk with them, respect them, and fight for safe third spaces.

Are you one of these transwomen or do you just have the gall to speak on their behalf? Doesn't sound like something an ally would say...

Oh Noes!!!!!

Did I miss the answers to my questions? indeedy please answer the questions within the guidelines so we can all see.

The questions that I really want the answer to are;

Please do tell us by what right do you speak for trans people @Yesindeedydoodey. Who nominated you to do so. And how are you representative of trans people?

Because the more you post, the more you sound like you represent the extremist trans activists and not the majority of trans people at all. Regardless of who you think you are representing.

I mean, only someone with extreme views would suggest that women correctly sexing a male would bring about violence. Which it seems you suggested in your deleted post.

You are doing a wonderful job then of convincing people that your view is the righteous one, the side that has the best intentions for ALL women, aren’t you?

Males will do as they please, silly women.

Blabbity blabbity bler blah blah.

Etc.

Who fucking cares what these bullies think? They just like goading women on the internet. Heads up, wims. Every day there is more sunlight, and every day more people see these arses for who they are.

Spend your evening doing something life-affirming, don't waste it being wound up by the inconsequential troglodytes who are far too fond of their own bollocks.

And by the way, little tip, if it pertains to your outlook: If you want to say to a transwoman that she's actually male ... make sure she's a very small transwoman.

Ahh. Threats of male violence if women don't agree with gender ideology. What happened to the cries of but we just want to pee and transwomen are safer in female spaces away from men.

This rhetoric is just not true is it. It's bullshit. The mask has slipped. And the whole world can see you. No more hiding in the shadows

And newsflash: transwomen are men.

Get over it. You're going to have to get used to transwomen in women's toilets

That won't be happening darling.

And, by the way, threats of violence against women who tell the truth about transwomen being male are not likely to win people over to your cause.

Transwomen are male. And the law favours women, no matter how many sexist, racist and homophobic false equivalents you bring up.

Chickeny

More for @Tinpotspectator

The term GC has been misunderstood greatly and is used as a slur sometimes.

Some people have mistakenly believed that it means that because women believe that sex cannot change, that we also believe in gender stereotypes and that we believe that being female dictates our personalities, our interests, our clothing, everything.

I, and many others, believe that being female is our reality. The body we have. We can wear what we want, do what we want, and that we have personalities that are so different and unique and not dependent on our body. However, our specific needs because of our sex cannot be ignored.

Many people supporting gender need gender stereotypes to do so. For instance non-binary people rely on everyone being 'binary' and having a gender that relates to their sex. Many people who are labelled 'GC' don't identify with any gender, they are just who they are. Therefore mostly everyone is also non-binary.

The issues really lay in how to apply gender to the world we live in to allow those with a gender to be not discriminated against because of their gender. Unfortunately, many people supporting gender wish to repurpose the rights of women to fit 'gender' not sex and therefore that dilutes the protections that women fought for so long for. Dilutes it, and in some instances removes those protections completely.

This thread is useful for back reading.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/a3145470-Break-it-down-for-me?msgid=109784154#109784154