Is it only white middle class women who are GC?

Oh no, guv’nor, salt of the erf we is. Welcome to all, more the meeriah. We don’t ‘ave much, but we ‘ave we share, don’t we? Come on da’hlin, let’s budge up for a kindred spirit eh?

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[quote Yesindeedydoodey]So, you'd have no trouble determining who's female and who's male with these two people, then?

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Despite the make-up & hair I see masculine facial features in the first picture and the second is Buck Angel, although I personally find pictures of many transmen of that age look similar to me. In real life I’ve seen many transwomen, their size, gait, features, voice, attitude to women and numerous other incongruencies have always given them away. I’ve not knowingly met any transmen. It is easier to tell in real life as pictures don't always indicate scale

I suspect he really thinks the working class and ethnic minority ppl are too thick to understand or care about these matters. Patronising git.

Funny in this country it was pretty easy to stop men accessing female spaces.
" Oi mate that's the ladies' usually worked

That's a continuation of your straw man line, really, isn't it?

**But they wouldn't be striding around changing room with their cock out, nor using a women's toilet in an unusual way. The point is that you would have no idea of the genitalia they have from their appearance. It's a nonsense.^^

Obviously you are a stranger to Social Media where you will find countless images of people doing just that.

I think the point is that it's useless to talk about what we should and shouldn't do, legally, with regard to people's use of toilets and changing rooms. You can get people to carry identity cards, but those can be fixed. I'd think that people who'd gone to all the trouble of changing their appearance would be able to sort out the 'appropriate identity', too.

These arguments about toilets and transpeople kicked off in a big way in the USA some years ago, under the supremely malignant leadership of Trump. The arguments that I saw on various US forums always fizzled out (and, actually, frequently became farcical) when it came to the matter of how to police whatever laws were hypothesised to be introduced on the issue.

Sorry, cross-post with R0wantrees.

The majority of women of colour at the time had to wait another ten years to get the vote.

Do you mean in the UK? Are you referring to the wording of the Representation of the People 1918 or 1928 Acts? As I recall, neither of the acts were based on a racial divide, unlike Australia or the United States. The acts applied to all women and wasn't only for the enfranchisment of white women.

But they wouldn't be striding around changing room with their cock out, nor using a women's toilet in an unusual way. The point is that you would have no idea of the genitalia they have from their appearance. It's a nonsense.

Man: "how can i discredit women views? I know by saying women aren't inclusive enough so I can prove that my manly views are the right ones and are inclusive despite my privilege as a man which shall automatically become invisible if i raise concerns about the privilege of women"

UK timeline

1918
The Representation of the People Act is passed on 6 February giving women the vote provided they are aged over 30 and either they, or their husband, meet a property qualification

1918
The Parliament (Qualification of Women) Act is passed on 21 November allowing women to stand for Parliament

1918
Women vote in a general election for the first time on 14 December with 8.5 million women eligible

1928
The Equal Franchise Act is passed giving women equal voting rights with men. All women aged over 21 can now vote in elections. Fifteen million women are eligible

The first link is of Jaye Davidson in The Crying Game.

I'm always unsure what point people are trying to make with regards photos of people who have gone to great lengths to present as the opposite sex. Would the same people suggest that access to nightclubs, purchase of alcohol etc should be granted to fifteen year olds who have gone to great lengths to appear over twenty one? The extension of such an argument would be that we dispense with age-based restrictions/protections altogether.
Similarly if a twenty two year old looks convincingly in a photograph to be fifteen is the argument that he should be given access to 12-16 year old youth groups etc?

I’d say quite the opposite!

There are lots of women of colour who are also GC.

The incident at Wi Spa in Los Angeles for example. A black American woman raised concerns and filmed her complaints and concerns with the Spa employees about a man being in the women’s locker room and she was shouted down as transphobic and of course trans women (white middle class, wealthier white men) attacked her, accused her of making it up. Media outlets (biased ones) accused her of making it up. She gave a news conference about it. So imagine a black American woman being told by trans women (white men in dresses) that they are more oppressed than her. Of course black women know this is nonsense and nothing but gaslighting, but no matter what colour a woman is, she is going to be shouted over by the Tra.

It’s not only white middle class women..it’s a lot of women who are too afraid to speak up. And when they do they are told they are lying. I think many women of colour know that this is an uphill battle. None of us.. white, black are being heard when it comes
To the Tra movement. But I know many women of colour who are also GC.

@Yesindeedydoodey

If they were striding around a communal changing room with their cock out, or standing at a public lavatory with the door open, I think I would be able to tell quite easily.

If they were standing in a bus queue or buying a loaf of bread, I would not care.

What is the point you wanted to make with your question?

Obviously no-one cares about transmen, wonder why ……… 🤔

Asian woman here I believe transwomen are transwomen women are women.

It’s just gaslighting “wrong side of history, you should be ashamed of yourself, you are probably a bit racist too” bullshit.

Same here, first link doesn’t work, in the other I immediately recognised buck angel who we all know is a transman thanks to having a high profile and GC campaigning. Buck’s voice doesn’t sound male, though I might see a male initially if I didn’t already know.