Is it only white middle class women who are GC?

We got that evidence for transwomen being beaten up in toilets by women yet?

"So, I can only interpret this as you admitting that there is a prevalence of males ‘flashing’ at women in women’s toilets. Your admitting it happens and, by your assertion that there are so many females beating up males who access the female toilets, we can take it you accept it happens often."

May I suggest you give your skills at interpreting an overhaul? No, I doubt very much that there's a prevalence of males 'flashing' at women in women's toilets. But by all means provide the evidence for its prevalence, as I asked. :)

"So, your breezy Not flashing at a woman, mind you, but actually beating one up? was indeed a very interesting distinction to your post. Very enlightening and very much focuses a spotlight to your intentions to distract with misinformation and dismissal, knowing that even you have to acknowledge that the prevalence of males exposing their penises in women’s toilets cannot be denied."

It's not actually me, and those who support a similar view, who's doing most of the distracting and dismissing in this debate. It's your side, frankly. The evidence of transwomen even flashing in women's toilets, let alone attacking them more severely than that (can we agree that 'attacking' is worse than 'flashing at'?) is sparse at best. Yet, for some reason, it's been turned into an unholy terror.

It's currently estimated that about one in a hundred people are transgender. Some two thirds of those will be transwomen. Of those transwomen who even have the courage to use a public toilet, and opt for a women's toilet, most will want to get in and out without incident. Well, obviously, because that's what most people of any sex/gender want to do. Of those men who want to attack, or flash at, women, only a few will be weird and daft enough (for all sorts of reasons) to think that the best place to do that will be in a women's toilet. Of those, I'd imagine the tiniest few would have their heads together well enough to be deterred by any law or any sign on the door of a women's toilet.

This debate, for me, has been much more about women's fears than realities. The former are of course valid and not to be dismissed - but it seems the realities - particularly likelihoods of certain horrors ever happening - have been largely swept aside. Relatedly: the very first thing to do when dealing with a fear is to learn to know your enemy. Frankly, I see little of that here with regard to transwomen.

I see even less regard for the safety of transwomen. They are humans, and have the human right to physical safety. For whatever reason they transition, I don't expect it's done for frivolous reasons. I don't like to see people who are already having very hard lives made any harder than necessary.

The mentality that trans rights are supreme to all other rights disgusts me.

Who the hell do these men think they are?

With friends like Jackie, who needs enemies. As for Tori, pleeeeease, the universe does not revolve around your fucking feelings.

Aaaarrrrgggghhhh

mobile.twitter.com/RadfemBlack/status/1420827778660851713

Reddit: archive.is/Y5Ggl

Just spotted this AITA post on Reddit and it's relevant to this thread as it demonstrates that it's not only white MC woman who are GC.

In the post, a Muslim woman is asking if she is TA because she didn't feel comfortable removing her hijab in front of a transwomen.

www.reddit.com/r/AmItheAsshole/comments/otvrul/aita_for_not_lying_about_why_i_could_not_remove/

"Another bridesmaid defends me and tell the girl to chill out. Tori comes over and says me not taking it off is a slap in the face to her identity. Im just shocked and had no clue what to do."

I found this quote to be quite illustrative of lack of respect for the needs/wishes of others. This women should not have been pressured into going against her religious beliefs.

he is not a man who catcalls or gropes or flashes at or hits women and feels no fraternity with them so he feels slightly aggrieved at being lumped in with those kind of men and told to fix the problem

Diddums. So this is about his feelings being hurt and not women's safety? He isn't an ally, he is part of the problem, just like most white middle class lefty men.

Wow! Transwomen getting beaten up by women in toilets! Sounds scary. I would highly recommend letting women's toilets be for women only i.e. the female kind, and transwomen would be safer in either the men's or separate gender neutral loos.

I'm really glad we've managed to solve this issue.

Now we can move onto more pressing matters like males in women's prisons.

Oh shame.

indeedy one of your posts has been deleted (as perhaps was intended). Still. I am sure people will piece together what was said from our answers.

It really was an excellent demonstration of the lengths some posters go to in their attempt to silence women.

But isn’t it a, shall we say, odd fantasy to have? Women beating up a fragile and delicate transwoman?

There’s probably (ie definitely) a forum somewhere that caters for that.

Hellofabore- my friend’s bosses dog walker’s sister-in-law’s cousin told me.

Which is more proof than we’ll get from these clowns.

I think that the vast majority of the population would be GC if they knew what it was, including men with daughters, wives or other women that they cared about. Unfortunately it's just not on most people's radar, and we're not even allowed to bring attention to it for fear of being denounced as "transphobic"...

Deliriumoftheendless

Can I have some verifiable evidence on that please????

[walks around humming the theme to close encounters]

Well, anything other than some weird fantasy in a randoms head might be useful, but we have what we have 🤷‍♀️

It seems like the thread has moved on but we always seem to end up in the bogs don't we? 😂

For me personally I spend as little time hanging around public toilets as I can so I don't know much about the gangs of marauding women beating up transwomen, are these women middle class or working class?

A class analysis of these bathroom thugs might be able to help us understand OPs friend's stance.

Honestly I think we’re missing the biggest scandal here. There’s so many transwomen carried off by eagles, trampled by rhinos and abducted by aliens. It’s an epidemic!

Honest, it is true and you’re horrible if you don’t do something about it.

#badeagles
#bigotedrhinos
#rightwingaliens

Makes absolutely no sense…like the rest if the posts to be fair

I'm not MC and my white background is not British.

I know men who are GC.

I'd bet any money that the overwhelming majority people in third world countries, of all races, are GC.

🙄

I was shocked to hear by a PP that women have been beating up mtf transitioners in women's toilets.

Please could I have some more information about these crimes? It's unusual to hear of women beating people up in toilets - I imagine these acts would have had a lot of publicity.

Also, such crimes would indicate that mtf transitioners are quite unsafe in women's toilets. It sounds as though they need their own spaces for their safety and dignity.

So, your breezy Not flashing at a woman, mind you, but actually beating one up? was indeed a very interesting distinction to your post.

It really was.

Oh, and before you come back with ‘women are charged with public masturbation crimes’ (I recently saw this going around twitter as a ‘gotcha’), If you plan on asserting this, please provide the statistics to prove this.

(Again, statistics from official sources or verified from independent sources that can be traced and checked)

So, I can only interpret this as you admitting that there is a prevalence of males ‘flashing’ at women in women’s toilets. Your admitting it happens and, by your assertion that there are so many females beating up males who access the female toilets, we can take it you accept it happens often.

Well, that admission is something at least.

Of course, you realise flashing, or any type of indecent exposure, is of course sex abuse and very harmful to women and girls. And it is accepted as a gateway crime leading on to crimes that are increasingly even more harmful to women and girls.

And it also at times includes that other sex crime, public masturbation. Another male dominated crime with recent prosecutions in both Ireland (where the male was also a cross dresser, which you know is included under the trans umbrella) and Australia this week.

And the growing porn sector of males (some, but not all, who identify as women) committing sex acts in female toilets with children’s voices clearly in the background. I am happy to provide the link to the twitter thread for this, but won’t link it in this post because it tends to get reported and, subsequently, deleted.

It is however, very, very easy to find. In fact, trans porn is widely available on twitter even. Surprisingly, this content is rarely placed behind the restricted ‘label’ that twitter requires. So it means it is easily accessed by children who we all know are using twitter below the minimum age restriction. (But that is for another thread topic).

So, your breezy Not flashing at a woman, mind you, but actually beating one up? was indeed a very interesting distinction to your post. Very enlightening and very much focuses a spotlight to your intentions to distract with misinformation and dismissal, knowing that even you have to acknowledge that the prevalence of males exposing their penises in women’s toilets cannot be denied.

Well, no, it's more like women do it only. That is, women beat up transwomen in women's toilets - that's happened often. But transwomen attacking women in women's toilets ... that's far rarer.

However yes, transwomen will keep using women's toilets, despite the law, because they'll assume - perhaps disgracefully in your view - that it's their right to have a pee without being beaten up.

@Yesindeedydoodey

You seem very confused and angry.

Please do provide evidence of women by sex being a risk to transwomen. I mean, that isn't reflected anywhere that I have been able to find. It almost sounds...made up. Repeatedly stating it doesn't make it true you know, it just makes the person saying it look rather silly.

Here are some actual facts for you, not that you are interested, because all you want to do is bully women on a feminist board (Well done):

Transwomen are men by sex.

Transwomen have been shown to offend at the same rate as all other groups of men by sex.

Men by sex, including Transwomen are physically stronger than women by sex. Primarily due to the effects of testosterone.

Men by sex, including Transwomen, are responsible for over 90% of violent crime in this country and 98% of sex crimes.

Prisons for men by sex in England house approximately 80k prisoners, whereas women by sex prisoners total around 3.4k. Wow, what a difference.

Not all men by sex (including Transwomen) are rapists, but all rapists are men by sex (including Transwomen).

In summary men by sex and women by sex do not offend at the same rate (prison numbers) and men are physically much stronger (why sports have historically been categorised by sex).

I feel the need to introduce you to the Equality Act. Did you know that biological sex is a protected characteristic, as is gender reassignment. They are separate.

Some more facts for you to ignore:

The sexes are NOT equal in strength or violence, ergo women by sex require protection from men by sex

Repeated here for you: Transwoman are men by sex and offend at a similar rate to them.

Black women by sex are women by sex. They pose no additional risk to women. Never have.

Now to conclude, women by sex have historically had separate safe spaces, where men aren't allowed, due to their risk profile 😵 (this includes toilets which you seem fascinated by, but also refuges, prisons, rape counselling services).

Bear with me, although I doubt you are reading this, There is no evidence whatsoever to support the claim that simply declaring yourself to be a woman, makes a transwoman less risk than any other man by sex. NONE.

So on what basis are you claiming that women no longer deserve the protection offered under the Equality Act? Women hatred and self entitlement? Male privilege?

There is no logical basis evidenced in fact.

And all of this without even having to use personal information as to why men being in refuges, toilets, rape crisis etc might damage women in other ways. Wow.

Having been a victim of repeated violent rape and sexual assaults by men by sex, I have a right not to have to be confronted with men by sex everywhere I go to get help.

Check your privilege. Nasty vile woman hating posts are beneath my contempt. Especially when full of twisted misinformation.

They aren't going to give a flying one about the silly, irrational sensitivities of transphobics,

Yes, we're well aware that boundary violators don't actually respect women and girls.