Julie Bindel- you can't silence women.

'people with a cervix' only helps the health of trans men and non-binary people if they know they have a cervix. If, like many XX people, they don't know exactly what a cervix is or who has one, their health will be just as endangered as every other XX person in that situation.

You are completely correct Eresh. If the word woman is used to refer to people with women's bodies then that contradicts the idea that a man can identify as a woman.

For that matter, 'people with a cervix' is language used to not alienate and possibly endanger trans men and non-binary people

That's what the claim is. Someone more cynical might think that the true aim is to completely remove the connection between the word "woman" and female bodies.

Trans people know their body parts as well as anyone. If the biological meaning of 'woman' is used in relation to screening, how would it affect trans men and non-binary people who have a cervix in terms of their knowing or not knowing they had a cervix? Surely if 'woman' and 'female' are used in their normal sense, they will know the same as anyone else?

Gynaecology - as a discipline and and a practice - is so named after the Greek for 'woman'. Should this change? Does it possibly endanger someone? Are transwomen in danger of mistakenly booking themselves in with a gynaecologist to get a cervical smear test?

Some hospitals that specialise in female-related conditions are called "Women's hospitals". Do you think that should change too?

Being silenced as in hate speech laws being passed in an attempt to make it a criminal act to speak about women's issues or acknowledge biological reality (Scotland, and coming to Ireland pretty soon).

Being silenced as in women's groups being banned from holding meetings in public spaces (In Australia).

Being silenced as in women being charged with a crime for tweeting pictures of some ribbons (Marion Millar).

The women being silenced are ordinary women who don't have a voice or a platform. Which is why people like Julie Bindel and JKR and others are speaking out on their behalf.

For that matter, 'people with a cervix' is language used to not alienate and possibly endanger trans men and non-binary people with a cervix
I'm sorry but have you actually listened to what you're saying? Barmy.

Yes it was a female journalist, I'm not very good at remembering names. Thanks for the resources, I'll take a look.

@FemaleAndLearning the other contributor might have been Joan Smith, who I would recommend reading. She was a journalist at the time and did a lot of work on the case, there's an overview in her book of essays "misogynies". More recently she has published "homegrown" which discusses the link between domestic violence and terrorism and is fascinating. And frustrating. For example she discusses how mass shootings America have been committed by men known to be perpetrators but were still allowed to have guns.

not that any of it is on show here but I have always been puzzled by some transactivists' hostility to Julie, who is great

finally, I decided that her main crime in people's eyes was Being Northern

I guess it is better than being aligned with the same drug companies who are facing huge payouts for the US opioid scandal

Imagine if we left-leaning GC feminists weren’t essentially politically homeless. How lovely that would be.

How much shit will we have to eat to get our stuff done?

Dunno about amounts, but I suspect the same; just a slightly different flavour to what we'd have to consume with the tribes we'd prefer to think of as 'ours'.

I remember a rather weird thread about Laura Richard a while back, so I was a bit hesitant to start the series but so far she's been amazing on how violence affects women's choices and not men's, socialisation etc.

The Bindel article was good, but it presents the usual problem with GC thinking on multi-author sites (Quillette, etc.): almost everything else there seems to have been written by right-wing ideologues and libertarians ('Voter ID laws are not racist' written by a young college-educated white man). The comments are all by grumpy white men with fixed ideas who want everyone to put down what they're doing and listen RIGHT NOW because they know what's what and no-one else does!

What company we are forced to keep.

There is also a piece by someone apologizing for having voted Tory in the last elections. They voted Tory because Brexit. And this is what happens when you vote on a one-party issue: you get a side of shit with your chicken dinner. It has happened to much of the white working-class in the US: they vote Republican because guns, abortion, and gay marriage, and in return they get gutted unions, captured regulatory agencies leading to lower environmental standards, roll-back of controls on financial institutions threatening another 2008, a pathetically low minimum wage, no parental leave, no sick leave, in fact no protection from predatory capitalism and billionaires paying no federal income taxes [i.e. national insurance].

I am afraid something like this may happen to us and our support for women's rights. How much shit will we have to eat to get our stuff done?

By your logic 'people with a prostate' should be used in all mens healthcare and cancer screening so it doesn't alienate and endanger transwomen, because you can't tell us we must refer to ourselves by our body parts then claim that rule doesn't apply to you too.

ODFOD

Do you frequently call your vet to ask for your cervix haver cat to be fixed?

For that matter, 'people with a cervix' is language used to not alienate and possibly endanger trans men and non-binary people with a cervix, so I'm not sure* why you always use it to attack trans women.

*the answer is plainly obvious

If dehumanization is the hill you want to die on, by all means

Yet it appears acceptable to dehumanise women by calling us vulva owners or cervix havers etc but we can't call male people penis owners or prostate havers in case it upsets them? Such contradicting double standards no?

Humans are animals. Obviously. What's the problem here?

If dehumanization is the hill you want to die on, by all means.

Stop calling people 'intact' like we're animals, thanks

Humans are animals. Obviously. What's the problem here?

Has a penis, like men do. Better?