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Male actor comes out as trans, now referred to as an actress…

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EastWestWhosBest · 23/07/2021 16:07

when I thought the word actress was quietly being dropped.

The BBC has been referring to female actors as, well, actors but now Tommy here is female the word actress is used again.

13 Reasons Why star Tommy Dorfman comes out as transgender www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-57940888

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Beamur · 24/07/2021 14:59

It's certainly raised Emma Corrins profile.

LazyViper · 24/07/2021 13:07

It’s getting to the point where coming out as trans, or dabbling with breast binders in a photoshoot, seems to be the new getting your tits/abs out for a high profile magazine, as far as raising actors’ profiles goes.

trancepants · 24/07/2021 13:04

@TinselAngel

Translation: "I want to shag either straight men or men who are prepared to play along with me being a woman"
I'd say the translation is more; Peter Zurkuhlen is a gay man and as such is attracted to men with a male body.
EyesOpening · 24/07/2021 11:23

@YetAnotherSpartacus

I wonder how male actors will feel doing sex scenes with Tommy.

That black dress really does not work for me.

I wonder how that will work, (presumably) men and women get the option to turn down gay roles with sex scenes if they’re not comfortable with it (without anyone knowing so no cries of homophobia) but how many will be able to know/get a say (maybe the A listers) in who plays their romantic interest and be able to then turn it down once they do know, if they’re uncomfortable with it, without any backlash?
Deadringer · 24/07/2021 10:53

Actress will probably become a term exclusively for transwomen who act.

BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 24/07/2021 10:42

The performance of femininity

I have got zero problem with a man doing that. I've been known to perform a little femininity myself.

The objectionable part is thinking that asking someone to open a jar for you makes you a woman

YetAnotherSpartacus · 24/07/2021 10:34

The performance of femininity (floaty arms, demure glancing at the floor, gazing etherally into the distance) is eye rollingly offensive. I don't do any of that shit, am I womaning wrong?

To be fair, that is the male-defined account of 'femininity' though. Is no. 17 of the rules of misogyny that explain how femininity was developed by men to make them horny?

Susan Brownmiller's book 'Femininity' also has something to say about this.

BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 24/07/2021 10:32

there has been discourse about my body

oh give over who the fuck talks like that? oh yeah, the extremely self indulgent and pretentious

FloralBunting · 24/07/2021 10:18

The performance of femininity (floaty arms, demure glancing at the floor, gazing etherally into the distance) is eye rollingly offensive. I don't do any of that shit, am I womaning wrong?

It's very Eddie Redmayne.

MummBraTheEverLeaking · 24/07/2021 10:17

The performance of femininity (floaty arms, demure glancing at the floor, gazing etherally into the distance) is eye rollingly offensive. I don't do any of that shit, am I womaning wrong?

I, like others had absolutely no clue who this person was. Now Tommy is all over news outlets and the twitter account of Time magazine fgs. So if nothing else that's an effective profile raise then.

FloralBunting · 24/07/2021 10:17

I don't use 'female actor' fwiw. I say actor. Specifying the sex of the actor is entirely superfluous. Both men and women can be actors.

Lessthanaballpark · 24/07/2021 10:12

Why call actresses “female actors” when we don’t call actors “male actresses”? It’s just more of the “men are default”.

What’s wrong with being called “actress”?

YetAnotherSpartacus · 24/07/2021 10:06

I was thinking more about the kinds of pressures that Zurkuhlen might be subject to - and whether a 'let's just be friends' would be acceptable.

TinselAngel · 24/07/2021 10:05

Translation: "I want to shag either straight men or men who are prepared to play along with me being a woman"

YetAnotherSpartacus · 24/07/2021 09:50

*Dorfman and Zurkuhlen still frequently post about one another on social media. But the actor explained that their relationship changed over the past year. “The types of romantic partnerships I seek out are different,” Dorfman began.

“I was in a nine-year relationship in which I was thought of as a more male-bodied person, with a gay man. I love him so much, but we’ve been learning that as a trans woman, what I’m interested in is not necessarily reflected in a gay man. So we’ve had incredible conversations to redefine our relationship as friends,” she continued*

I wonder how that narrative would be different if Tommy was married to a woman? Hmm

TinselAngel · 24/07/2021 09:47

I've no idea who they are but the bullshit is strong with this one in this article about the break up of the marriage:
"“I love him so much, but we’ve been learning that as a trans woman, what I’m interested in is not necessarily reflected in a gay man. So we’ve had incredible conversations to redefine our relationship as friends,”

t.co/833aOfTDDf

YetAnotherSpartacus · 24/07/2021 09:40

I wonder how male actors will feel doing sex scenes with Tommy.

That black dress really does not work for me.

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FakeColinCaterpillar · 24/07/2021 09:18

I think it’s only a niche though. That is a very flattering photograph used, if you scroll back they have a very male physique.

Beamur · 24/07/2021 09:01

I think the article also said that they had made a film with Lena Dunham playing a trans character.
Given the hoo-ha there's been every time a non-trans actor is cast, I suspect there probably is a growing niche for trans actors and actresses

littlbrowndog · 23/07/2021 23:11

That person looks pretty euphoric.

NiceGerbil · 23/07/2021 22:48

In general i have seen that using the feminine word for various things is popular with some groups.

FloralBunting · 23/07/2021 22:45

What else would you call an actor in common parlance, though? I mean, it doesn't especially bother me if someone uses the 'ess' ending. I can see both arguments from the female perspective on that one.
But none of the perspectives apply to this person, because they are not female and have not ever faced the drawbacks of the default male.
In fact, all this person has faced is a helpful rise in profile.

NiceGerbil · 23/07/2021 22:43

On the more general discussion around what does it do (any jobs) then it's a big topic that usually gets into a bit of an argument so would derail this thread!

If you want to start a thread about it I'll be happy to discuss Smile

NiceGerbil · 23/07/2021 22:42

I'm not an actor so can't comment past what I've read said by female actors about it.

I'm sure there is stuff online.