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Nehanda Update: [Women are physically weaker.] Weaker doesn't mean less valuable.

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EmbarrassingAdmissions · 21/07/2021 21:01

Good discussion in her comments, including this from Salve Vagina:

This is a really great observation. The idea that physical strength equals social worth is so misogynist, but it's an idea so many of us [internalise] from childhood. And something deeply rooted like that is often very hard to even see in yourself, let alone to challenge and change.

twitter.com/NehandaMusic/status/1417570665331404803

She was mentioned on this 2020 thread in which she first her had reconsideration of her previous position about gender ideology:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/a3844928-Billy-Bragg?msgid=94899296#94899296

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NiceGerbil · 22/07/2021 03:22

Agree agree

Everything pretty much is measured against standards set by men for men.

Yes they are on average bigger and physically stronger.

But we have different strengths.

Sports created by men for men to showcase the things men are good at. We can do other stuff better than them. But.. who knows what. Because sports invented by men. (Endurance, long distance, things involving flexibility.. dunno)

Laws by men for men. Property. The sort of violence men do to each other. Sex offences? Fucking useless. Flashing. Non contact. Can't be that bad..

Etc etc

quixote9 · 22/07/2021 03:09

Of course women are weaker ... because strength is defined as male forms of strength.

If you had a several-square-centimetres hemorrhage from an internal organ, like most women do every month, men would be in the emergency room. Women don't merely live with it, lots of them do difficult jobs and major athletic events at the same time.

Male physiology would collapse under the marathon of pregnancy, even if they had the uterus for it.

There's a lot of female winners among ultramarathoners, ultraswimmers, and the like. Extreme endurance is something women are better at. (Who would have guessed?)

ScreamingMeMe · 21/07/2021 21:54

Some good discussion in the replies too. Worth a read.

littlbrowndog · 21/07/2021 21:35

She is great. 🌟🌟🌟

ScreamingMeMe · 21/07/2021 21:34

She's brilliant isn't she? And very talented. Buy her music or subscribe to her on Spotify 😉

I see that her "awakening" was caused by someone policing her language.

"Lol I have the exact moment screenshotted...I said uterus with regards to being female and someone called me a terf..."

"Suddenly EVERY WORD my mum had been saying came flooding back but in full colour..."

"They're policing language Nehanda"

"I didn't believe her...then this happened and I had to revisit everything she'd said on the whole matter...turns out mum was right...who'd have thought it"

twitter.com/NehandaMusic/status/1417575839298985985?s=20

Deliriumoftheendless · 21/07/2021 21:19

Someone posted something along these lines way back on these boards and it really was a lightbulb moment for me- qualities like physical strength (which are generally greater in men) are prized so highly that to accept women are (generally) weaker seems to equate to “of less worth” which I think is probably why some feminists have pushed the idea that women can be as strong (ie as good) as men. But it’s all defined by a male model and we forget their are different forms of strength and that “softer” (for want of a better word) qualities are just as valuable.

It is a misogynistic view but one a lot of us have internalised. Because it’s everywhere.

FionaMacCool · 21/07/2021 21:18

That's so funny @EmbarrassingAdmissions. I had clicked on her feed earlier today (from the Glasgow park walker thread-> Glinner> Twatter).

It's an excellent point isn't it?

FloralBunting · 21/07/2021 21:07

Nehanda is one of my favourite tweeters. She's funny, charming, she takes no shit at all and you'll often find interesting conversations connected to her tweets. This is no exception.