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Phillip Pullman

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Dollpiglet · 21/07/2021 07:19

I'm not a huge user of Twitter but I do follow Phillip Pullman who seems to have stepped out on this issue now. I'm gutted!

twitter.com/PhilipPullman/status/1417467807873241088?s=19

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LadyBonnibel · 21/07/2021 10:33

I agree he thinks he's grasped the issues but he hasn't. If and when he does, his intelligence (which he does have IMO) will kick in and the penny will drop, that genderist ideology is exactly like the religious extremism and control he's spent so long opposing.

I don't think he understands really but is pretending, because otherwise I would expect him to take sides on this quite strongly. Like JKR he can't realIy lose his reputation, and as a man he'd be treated less badly than her. I think he just assumes he knows better than women so won't really listen to them.

JoodyBlue · 21/07/2021 10:19

Yes and this is it isn't it? The unfairness of women saying no. Not all women, but sufficient numbers, and how very dare they? Women are not allowed to say no. It is what it comes down to. No amount of pussyfooting around pretending to be ultra clever will change that. Every man who supports this ideology, supports the idea that women are not allowed to say no.

TheWeeDonkey · 21/07/2021 10:17

He really is a great example of if you have nothing useful to say don't say anything at all. All he is demonstrating is who completely clueless he is regarding women and what they have to put up with on Twitter. Tone policing JKR when she's receiving rape and death threats and then whining when people are respectfully giving their views. (I'm assuming nobody has told him to die in a grease fire yet?) Is the epitome of male entitlement and obliviousness to what is happening here in the real world.

Helleofabore · 21/07/2021 10:04

He seems quite offronted so many women are disagreeing with him.

Yes. And, again, disagreeing without abuse. He even takes the attitude that a woman was threatening him through her censorious tweet asking him to step up and actually do something about the abuse Jo Rowling receives.

He has a very high boundary for the tone people take when they talk to him on line. Yet, shows no understanding of others boundaries being crossed by those he seeks to support.

merrymouse · 21/07/2021 10:04

so of course he has looked at all sides of the issue and considered the philosophical implications

He either doesn’t care or understand that regardless of whether he thinks the issues are ‘unresolvable’, they will resolve one way or another.

I think the likely answer is that he doesn’t care, but lacks the self knowledge to understand this. He is happy to express an opinion on other contentious religious and political issues.

He is even happy to offend others when this may cause them deep personal pain - e.g. because they have a deeply held religious faith.

OldTurtleNewShell · 21/07/2021 09:55

Pullman's stance is quite interesting and reveals a lot about how this has all gone wrong.
He's been skipping in and out on the issue for a while. I think he started with the standard unaware 'just be kind' stance and then, like many people, went away and 'educated himself'.
Like a lot of intelligent men, he does understand the issues, he just struggles to accept the "unfairness" of women saying no to something that some male people really want to have.
He's wearing patriarchy blinkers and they're embedded pretty deep.
His 'may I respectfully invite you to change your tone' tweet nails that down further. He seems quite offronted so many women are disagreeing with him.
twitter.com/PhilipPullman/status/1417550855188983814

AmericanSlang · 21/07/2021 09:42

The problem with Philip Pullman is that he believes his own publicity and thinks he's some sort of towering intellectual, so of course he has looked at all sides of the issue and considered the philosophical implications, without resorting to shouting or making demands like those nasty females. Unfortunately in reality he's a pompous patronising git, with no grasp of the issues at all, and his main motivation seems to be crawling around the likes of Clara Vulliamy (the instigator of Rachel Rooney's cancellation and a proper bully)

merrymouse · 21/07/2021 09:32

I don’t think there is any need to sign a letter or petition, but he does the thing where he only ever makes the easiest argument.

Instead of engaging with the core issue - a class of people who are and have been oppressed to a phenomenal degree are increasingly prevented from naming their class - he just sticks to easy ‘be kind’ platitudes.

RoyalCorgi · 21/07/2021 09:14

His treatment of Rooney was appalling, as was his tweet about the LGB Alliance.

He scolds people for not seeing both sides of the argument, while quite stubbornly refusing to listen to people putting the feminist side. He seems to be both deeply nasty and lacking in intellectual curiosity, which doesn't make for a winning combination.

bellinisurge · 21/07/2021 09:11

Patronising guff from Phillip Pullman who assumes greater wisdom than mere women. Similar to that "heartfelt letter "Aisling Bee shared which said JKR should ask her husband before tweeting.

Helleofabore · 21/07/2021 09:11

It is quite apparent that he takes umbridge at being asked to take a side. He is very comfy being a pontificating fence sitter, hence the ‘single vision’ tweet. He will continue to wish for a considered resolution because he had little need for it to go a particular direction.

It is quite hilarious though to see him writhe about Blahblahfishcakes language. FFS!!! She politely asked him to put his signature on the petition. yes it ‘could’ be interpreted as being emotionally manipulative.

His answer:

Polite? I don't think so. 'I didn't see your name on the list - here's another chance to sign it.' Your tone reminded me of those aides in the Bush White House who'd say 'Missed you at Bible Study this morning', half reproachful, half threatening.

He basically implied she threatened him and used a totally upside down example. Like she has any ‘power’ over him…

This is from a polite interchange, how would he cope with the abuse that he, rightly, condemned being meted out by those he wants women to stop being ‘single visioned’ about?

Beamur · 21/07/2021 09:03

He's a piece of work isn't he.
Thanks for reminding me why I don't bother with Twitter.

nauticant · 21/07/2021 08:58

The tweet by Pullman in the OP appears to be a follow-up to a conversation he had an hour or so before Beamur:

twitter.com/PhilipPullman/status/1417455238039150626

nauticant · 21/07/2021 08:53

Here's his standard operating procedure: he tweets something that stirs up anger against a woman, he gets pushback, and then scuttles away saying he's just an old bloke for whom it's too complicated or assumes victim status for himself. An unpleasant way to engage with this issue.

twitter.com/PhilipPullman/status/1270105447924727808

Beamur · 21/07/2021 08:51

Unless I am missing something, he hasn't actually said what topic he's scolding people about?
Loved the first few Dark Materials books, recent ones increasingly dreary. I think he must hate Lyra. She was a wonderful character as a child but an increasingly unlikeable adult. Interestingly her character has become estranged from her own Daemon by following a philosophy which denies Pans existence... despite the fact she can see and hear him she's become infatuated with a way of thinking that teaches that he isn't real. Curious huh.

KittenKong · 21/07/2021 08:42

He did this before - called LGB alliance names last time didn’t he?

Oh the irony - fantasy writer believes in... well. He also
Comes across as a rather grouchy, nasty bully. Of course he may be lovely, but a writer would be able to express himself aLittle better eh?

Redapplewreath · 21/07/2021 08:41

And in that tweet is paternalistically scolding women for their sad 'single vision' and 'inability to see other points of view' with apparently no sense of the very obvious irony or how far he's jamming his foot down his mouth. Daddy thinks he knows best, apparently.

IvyTwines2 · 21/07/2021 08:36

His books feature a world in which children have daemon souls who are constantly shapeshifting in childhood but then become fixed in one form forever at puberty. And that's it. He does not see adults, or even teenagers, as people who go on changing, growing, maturing. I've long thought that was a disappointing message to send to children: now I think it's a dangerous one too.

Redapplewreath · 21/07/2021 08:35

Man frequently displays his sense of entitlement to discuss and pat other men on the back while they tell women who and what men will call them, what men will permit them and what rules men will set to them. And somehow has a big enough ego to think women will somehow be taking him seriously and doing what he says.

Man is massive sexist bellend, high on his own sense of self importance, and utterly irrelevant to this debate with no skin whatsoever in the game. And is making a twit of himself.

sashagabadon · 21/07/2021 08:32

I also think in the literature world there is a lot of jealousy generally between authors but specifically directed at authors that do very very well. There is a TV show about his triology now but prior to that there was a stage show which by all accounts was good but didn’t last that long and a Hollywood film that flopped.
Compare that to Harry Potter world and no comparison

sashagabadon · 21/07/2021 08:27

Philip Pullman is a massage be disappointment on Twitter. Not just on this issue but his political nonsense too. I enjoyed his Lyra books, think the TV show is a bit boring but otherwise had a favourable opinion on him. I now think he is a Wally, like many others on Twitter who really should be told by someone to put down their phones!

Whatsnewpussyhat · 21/07/2021 08:24

Unfortunately it seems that most of these men will always back their own sex.

The virtue signalling costs them nothing and they get patted on the head for their blatant misogyny.

teawamutu · 21/07/2021 08:22

I saw him offering up the de Beauvoir quote as supporting the case for TWAW once. I pointed out he clearly hadn't read the book. He didn't reply.

Lazy, mansplaining, cowardly twunt. A huge disappointment because I loved those books and can't see them the same way knowing the author lacks integrity.

merrymouse · 21/07/2021 08:18

Seems to be a thing with male authors. They don't want to pss off their fellow men.*

So much easier to just say ‘be kind’ and retreat (‘I can’t possibly contribute, it just seems toxic on both sides’) when asked to engage.

I don’t expect men to agree on every single issue relating to toilets, just the main things like the female sex class exists, people don’t randomly give birth and this is politically significant.

Much of the plot of Dark Materials is powered by the fact that Mrs Coulter’s choices were so restricted by being female. However according to the ideology that Pullman refuses to criticise, all she needed to do was get Lord Azriel to have the baby and identify as a man. Job done.

nauticant · 21/07/2021 08:09

Rachel Rooney wrote the book My Body is Me and became Public Enemy No.1 to the trans activists. She had huge amounts of abuse but over the course of a year it had diminished.

Step up Philip Pullman:

twitter.com/RooneyRachel/status/1335539340676632576

who decided to freshen up the target on Rachel Rooney's back but in a unpleasant and underhand way. Notice by the way that Pullman's tweet tightly restricts who can reply. This goes well beyond cowardly.

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