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It was like the prison had given the okay for them to rape us

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SnoopyLights · 20/07/2021 05:48

I saw this on Instagram last night and I seriously haven't been able to stop thinking about these poor women since I read it.

Women incarcerated in California's largest women's prison are describing the conditions as "a nightmare's worst nightmare" after the introduction of new pregnancy resources in the Central California Woman's Facility (CCWF) medical clinics. The new resources are a tacit admission by officials that woman should expect to be raped when housed in prison with men, where all sex is considered non-consensual by default within the system.

New posters recently appeared in medical rooms outlining the options available to "pregnant people" in prison, including prenatal care, abortion, and adoption. The poster also declares that woman have the right to "contraceptive counselling and your choice of birth control methods by a licensed healthcare provider within 60 - 180 days prior to scheduled release date." However the only methods available to incarcerated women to prevent pregnancy are condoms, which appeared shortly after the men, and Plan-B emergency contraceptives.

Prior to the passage of SB 132, pregnancies among incarcerated women were vanishingly rare in California women's prisons. Women who entered the justice system already pregnant are typically held in county jail or separate medical facilities until they give birth.

Women's prisons across the state appear to be making final preparations such as these for a massive wave of transfers after nearly 300 requests were initiated following SB 132 going into effect in January of this year. So far, only about 20 of the transfers have been processed (and exactly zero transfer requests have been denied) - leaving hundreds of men, many of whom are sex offenders, awaiting entry into the women's estate.

Speaking to Amie Ichikawa, founder of Woman II Woman and advocate for incarcerated women, one woman currently housed in CCWF said it was like the prison had "given the okay for them to rape us, cause you have a plan to take care of the aftermath."

At a recent CCWF Captain's meeting, one woman read a statement in which she pleaded for help and accused CO's of ignoring their previous concerns of being housed with a serial rapist.

"How do we feel safe in our community? When we reach out for help we get nothing...There has been an assault on a woman and we still are silenced."

"We have had our hope taken away once again. Does anyone care that we are being forced to house with 6'2, 250+ lbs men with penises that are here for brutally raping women? We have been warned by the officials in this prison, more are coming with worse charges."

"Where is the safety concern for us? If we say we are in fear, we are the ones locked up."

www.womensliberationfront.org/california-sb-132-a-disaster-for-incarcerated-women

It was like the prison had given the okay for them to rape us
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TooExtraImmatureCheddar · 20/07/2021 08:36

The cognitive dissonance is incredible. These men are being put in women’s prisons because they say they’re female. So the powers that be believe them 100%, while simultaneously providing for the inevitable outcome, at a high added cost which the service doesn’t usually need to fund, none of which would be necessary if they weren’t male. It is ridiculous.

Mrsjamin · 20/07/2021 08:34

Correct YouTube link (posted the ad video by mistake)

GrandmaMazur · 20/07/2021 08:33

This is what has brought my simmering rage about all this bollocks to absolute boiling point. Why isn’t this on the front page of every newspaper that purports to publish news? Where is the Guardian, that bastion of ‘quality, fiercely independent reporting’? How can anybody hear this and find any way to justify it?

But it’s not just the US. It’s already happening here. Despite self-ID not being law in this country we know that more than 30 transwomen without a GRC have been placed in women’s prisons.

I wrote to my MP about the UK high court judgement that deemed it legal but not exactly desirable to allow male bodied people into female prisons, some of whom are known rapists and sex offenders.

His copy and paste reply included the statement “any allegation of sexual assault is taken extremely seriously and robust processes are in place to ensure such incidents are immediately referred to the police and that victims are given the support they need”. Seriously? So you’ll do something about it once the poor women who aren’t able to self-ID out of this situation have already been assaulted? But you don’t think perhaps it might be a good idea to stop the assault happening in the first place by actual safeguarding?

Mrsjamin · 20/07/2021 08:33

Propaganda techniques such as the indicates part of the reason why no one imagines this is actually happening: the false narrative is that these poor transwomen are so vulnerable, they are always painted as the victims.

Waitwhat23 · 20/07/2021 08:31

State sanctioned rape, pure and simple.

MoltenLasagne · 20/07/2021 08:27

The state of California has become a willing accomplice to the rape of female prisoners. At this stage its not a case of if, but when, and how many. I hope they are sued for millions.

Frootloops4life · 20/07/2021 08:25

Is anyone asking why they've not installed a pregnancy centre in the men's prison?

Men get pregnant too.

Or are transmen not rushing to be put into male prisons for some reason?

Frootloops4life · 20/07/2021 08:24

think it's because a lot of people deep down want and enjoy the thought of "bad" women being sexually punished and abused.

Bollocks. Most women have been sexually abused and punished, they're not for it. Ever.

It's because realistically the media is keeping this from people and most people rightfully assume that no heterosexual male with a dick would be put into a women's prisons. The few who are ok with it, believe in lady brains negating the dick, because they're a bit stupid.

And frankly a lot of men just don't give a shit or are prepared to risk women for a few woke points.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 20/07/2021 08:24

Is this any different to what's happening here? (except for the lack of posters about contraception?)
A UK court has agreed that the rights of the numerous male born sex offenders who self identify as women and want to be housed in women's prisons outweighs the rights of women to safety and privacy.

MrsWooster · 20/07/2021 08:21

I like to come onto these threads to see the usual suspects come on to say how awful and mean we women are being; where’s mishy, robin, the one with three words together (youandme?), et al? One might almost think this is indefensible and even they can see that this is an abusive rule designed to let men falsely self id in order to sexually abuse women…

ArabellaScott · 20/07/2021 08:12

@Xoxoxoxoxoxox

I can't understand why there isn't more of a public outcry about it. It beggers belief.
The media wont report it, I presume. So most people are going to be unaware.

Same as Marcus Rashford's death threats are front page news but many news outlets won't mention JKR's death threats, for some reason.

BettyFilous · 20/07/2021 08:06

@LastSummerHere

I do think far too many people in power are loving getting the opportunity to abuse women, and using other men to do it.
I agree. This is beyond appalling. The USA has no place lecturing other nations about human rights abuses when they facilitate the systematic abuse of vulnerable women in this way. Bear in mind that other states have less permissive abortion laws, so women raped and impregnated in prison would have no recourse to termination.
alkanet · 20/07/2021 08:01

This is sickening. Most of these men will be fakers just trying to get into women's prisons purely to abuse and rape. The authorities know this and still gleefully cheer lead for self id. This is evil. It's a human rights violation. Cruel and unusual punishment in the extreme.

MondayYogurt · 20/07/2021 07:48

@Xoxoxoxoxoxox

I can't understand why there isn't more of a public outcry about it. It beggers belief.
I think it's because a lot of people deep down want and enjoy the thought of "bad" women being sexually punished and abused.

People of both sexes.

Whatwouldscullydo · 20/07/2021 07:42

I do think far too many people in power are loving getting the opportunity to abuse women, and using other men to do it

Yes sadly this particular job as in many others will attract people who wish to try and take advantage of their position. I would also think.that a great deal of staff will decide they can't do this. That they went into prison work to try and make a difference and help to provide education and rehabilitation fir the women.

This will then leave only the staff who do not have the best interests of the women at heart.

And that frightens me as much as it does that they have males in there.

LastSummerHere · 20/07/2021 07:30

I do think far too many people in power are loving getting the opportunity to abuse women, and using other men to do it.

JustcameoutGC · 20/07/2021 07:26

This is so so so upsetting. Those poor women. Validation fodder, that is all we are worth.

I wonder is there a pen pal system? I would love to write to one of them, show some solidarity.

LastSummerHere · 20/07/2021 07:21

@EmbarrassingAdmissions

This is part of the problem, of course.

True. Whenever something comes to the attention of a wider audience in the UK, so many men by default blame women and say, Where were all the feminists? - They don't accept the, Deplatformed. Subject to punitive workplace sanctions. Silenced. argument, of course, because it seems utterly unbelievable.

They make me mad when they say this.

We are so awfully sorry men, that we aren't doing more to stop you from killing and abusing us.

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 20/07/2021 07:17

This is part of the problem, of course.

True. Whenever something comes to the attention of a wider audience in the UK, so many men by default blame women and say, Where were all the feminists? - They don't accept the, Deplatformed. Subject to punitive workplace sanctions. Silenced. argument, of course, because it seems utterly unbelievable.

Jackgrealishscurtains · 20/07/2021 07:17

Whaaaaaaat?!

LastSummerHere · 20/07/2021 07:14

This is beyond cruel...caging women, the vast majority of whom will have suffered head trauma and other violence at men's filthy hands, with males who hate them and with no chance of escape. Even to bring this to an end and protect future women, it means the women in prison today will have to endure this evil in order to bring the truth to light.

This is where transactivism has brought us and was always going to bring us....the most vulnerable in our society completely at the mercy of men's whims. To quote Glinner, transactivism is evil.

WarriorN · 20/07/2021 07:12

- we can provide your potential rapist with condoms

it's also an implied assumption that any sexual contact will be consensual. How many rapists put a condom on first? Which is also offensive to the women.

person78 · 20/07/2021 07:12

Somewhat relatedly, several months ago I was banned from commenting on the Washington Post because the powers that be didn't like my gender critical views relating to women's athletics. I always kept my commenting civil, but my comments contained thoughtcrime so the banhammer came down. I had been a subscriber for 4+ years at the time, and I appealed the commenting ban. They denied my appeal.

This is part of the problem, of course.

GiantToadstool · 20/07/2021 07:12

This is frightening :(

Cant those in charge of prisons oe prison welfare speak out??

We're watching womens rights to be safe eroded right in front of us.

person78 · 20/07/2021 07:06

This is a massive, massive human rights violation.

There is virtually no media coverage on this issue in the U.S. That's part of why there has been no public outcry.