It was like the prison had given the okay for them to rape us

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A male who has been convicted of bombing a mosque has told a court 'she' now identifies as a woman. Emily Hari said 'her' gender dysphoria was the cause of 'her' terrorism, and has therefore asked for a lesser sentence and to be housed in a women's prison

www.ctpost.com/news/article/Mosque-bombing-convict-wants-transgender-identity-16408086.php

Ok. Thanks for the link.

Here's the article linked to in the tweet: www.womensliberationfront.org/news/ca-womens-prisons-anticipate-pregnancy-sb123

There are sources quoted but they're anecdotal as you'd expect from women who are locked up or afraid of losing their jobs.

Right, this is horrendous.
Before I go further, I need to double check sources.
How can I check sources (I do believe it but I want to be able to quote sources, not just Twitter...)
THEN, we need a MASSIVE spamming of high profile ‘feminists’.
Where is Emma Watson? Margaret Atwood? Caitlin Moran? Kim Kardashian (hasn’t she done some work with prisoners??)

That's great but I suspect there are few green shoots and most is still scorched earth.

I looked up WoLF the other day, as I had vaguely understood, probably based on something I had skim read, it to be some sort of Christian Right" organisation, so was trying to square that with something constructive they were doing. .

According to Wiki (who as expected cannot be trusted to be neutral):

"While rejected by progressive organizations and considered fringe by the feminist mainstream, who suggest the group conceals an essentially discriminatory right-wing ideology under the guise of feminism, the organization has found influence through collaboration with conservative groups on shared legislative views. Though the predominant focus of WoLF has been on transgender issues, it also approves of abortion rights and favors action to combat violence against women."

Yes..Wiki thinks it is all about trans with action to combat violence against women is a side issue.

Not surprising then is the WoLF FAQ

www.womensliberationfront.org/news/faq-wolf-work-with-conservatives

Essentially they feel as if they are on their own on the left. as they say "Forcing liberal purity politics on radical feminist organizations only succeeds in further crippling our movement."

In the meantime so-called feminist groups are saying virtually nothing about a dehumanising and dangerous policy of housing biological males in their prisons.

The core issue, surely, is combatting violence against women.

Women in the US aren't standing for it, nor should you.

Aug 22nd, love this promo "not now not ever...it's time to get off of the internet and onto the streets"

tbh, what with one thing and another, I think some of the social reformers and activists from the late nineteenth century might recognise an astonishing number of social problem that are still with us, despite all of the progress.

I'm ashamed and angry.

#whatwouldelizabethfry say

It's truely awful.

Women in prison will often be vulnerable. Prison is punishment, and it is right that people ‘pay for’ their crimes there needs to be acceptance that there are many reason why women make bad decisions.

I find this story extraordinarily upsetting. The courts are not empowered to sentence women to rape and unwanted pregnancy. Yet this is the logical outcome that prisons are preparing for. Women prisoners have not been asked, nor listened to. They are voiceless.

It’s like the vulnerable young girls in Rotherham who were assumed to be sluts and whores.

What is wrong with this world, where men make the decisions and women bear the consequences.

'it's their own fault for ending up in prison, and they've brought on whatever punishment they get themselves'.

I know it's difficult to generalise across different countries and prison systems but I find the lack of understanding of/empathy for why women end up in prison to be breathtaking.

From a UK perspective, it's not unusual for women to have been sentenced for failure to pay fines or otherwise being in chronic debt that has brought them in contact with the criminal justice system. Added to which are the usual issues about the high incidence of a history of domestic and intimate partner violence overlapping with a history of TBIs and that's before considering vulnerability to coercive control.

I find it shocking to read these views from people that I knew from discussing books, and who seem generally to be perfectly ordinary women that I shared interests with - until the discussion veers off topic, and you read some of the things they think (and possibly say) - and then you realise that things like believing that prisoners deserve anything they get would be quite aligned with their views, and not unusual in certain sections of the population.

I don't think this is the main reason that there isn't an outcry; I am sure that most of it IS because of the media, or the misunderstanding among many people that trans people are old-school transsexuals who have had surgery, or the disbelief that men would ever be put in a women's prison. But I think there is definitely a section of population who are thinking (to themsevles, or openly) 'it's their own fault for ending up in prison, and they've brought on whatever punishment they get themselves'.

If everyone who feels this way does just one thing, talks to one person, writes one letter maybe we can start to change things bit by bit?

I think this is what we have to do.

It also occurs to me that, at least in Scotland, women speaking out against self-ID etc are going to be subject to hate speech laws and custodial sentences can be imposed if found guilty. But now a prison sentence comes with an implicit threat of rape and sexual abuse by males in prison. Who will have the courage to speak if women's speech is punished by rape?

Probably no outcry for a variety of reasons. In US prisoners are considered low priority and female prisoners are even less respected. Moreover, there will be a high number of African American female prisoners , so there is also the racism component .

I can’t understand why there isn’t more of a public outcry about it. It beggars belief.

I think it’s because people deep down want and enjoy the thought of “bad women” being sexually punished and abused.

MondayYoghurt

That is one of the saddest things I have ever read.

We all need to write to our MP’s.

Gobsmacking. Criminal. "Here, we're gonna make a situation where you get raped, but we're so nice we'll provide condoms." Just ... whaaat ...

Was it this bad in 700 AD?

Also women prison officers will be in danger, even having to perform searches on these men will be a violation of their rights imo.

I asked a friend who works with the MOJ if a male officer could identify as a woman for the duration of the search and apparently thats not allowed.
It just get curiouser and couriouser. As someone said above, its like powerful men enjoy the thought of women being violated sexually

Eighth amendment "Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted."

You'd think locking vulnerable women up with rapists would be considered a cruel and unusual punishment.

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[quote beastlyslumber]This is so distressing. I read it in a glinner email earlier this week and haven't been able to stop thinking about it.

I've been trying to work out what I can do to help. I've not got very many ideas but Keep Prisons Single Sex has some suggestions for where to write and what to say, and also have t-shirts for sale. I've bought one to wear and hopefully it will start some conversations.

www.keep-prisons-single-sex.org.uk/males-really-held-in-womens-prisons[/quote]
It’s heartbreaking isn’t it?

I’ve written to my MP and I am going to go and talk to him about it later this year. Whether it will have any effect or not I don’t know but I had to do something.

If everyone who feels this way does just one thing, talks to one person, writes one letter maybe we can start to change things but by bit?

#whatwouldelizabethfrysay

Aside from the obvious rape risk, exactly why do you think males and females have historically been housed separately?

How do you now see that those risks have changed?

This is so distressing. I read it in a glinner email earlier this week and haven't been able to stop thinking about it.

I've been trying to work out what I can do to help. I've not got very many ideas but Keep Prisons Single Sex has some suggestions for where to write and what to say, and also have t-shirts for sale. I've bought one to wear and hopefully it will start some conversations.

www.keep-prisons-single-sex.org.uk/males-really-held-in-womens-prisons

If anyone wants to argue 'but who would go through hormones/surgery just to do this' then (1) rapists can and will go to great lengths to get access to victims and (2) they literally just have to say the women's estate is their preference.

Indeed. Paedophile men will seek out and marry women to have access to their children; men will train for the priesthood to have access to children; men will volunteer for Scouts to have access to children.

Some men will do a lot to have power over the vulnerable.