crowdfunding for mastectomies

Ahhhh, apologies, if the tone of my post was not clear but that is exactly my point.

No one wants to research it because they are afraid for their jobs and careers.

And of course, if it was genuinely lifesaving and beneficial then no one would be casting doubt on the figures quoted, would they. In fact, if it was a wonderful progressive treatment that worked, the more the better, yes?

So why so disparaging of the figures?

What is the problem even if its 50,000, 100,000, 1,000,000 young women are having this surgery if its lifesaving?

Threatening suicide if you don't get what you want is the tactic of an abuser.

This is the day after the report of a trans man choosing euthanasia over living with the body that they had been ‘created’ by doctors and surgeons. A youngish person - 40s I believe. The stats they quoted was 30% suicide rate post surgery. God it was a depressing read.

You're right! Why aren't there more investigations into this phenomenon?

Because it's a brave researcher who risks the wrath of the trans lobby. One link to being transphobic and your career can end. Funding gone. Name smeared. Done.

Would you like to risk it?

Please, just go on some detrans forums and read the stories. There are so, so many people regretting surgery and they're too afraid to even talk about it because of the level of antagonism towards detransitioners. They drop out of the stats, their voices have been silenced.

If a million girls and women who identify as men cut off their breasts, are you happy with even 5%, 50,000, deeply regretting it? Is that an acceptable level of suffering?

There does seem to be some controversy about these statistics, with some factions on this thread unwilling acknowledge a large number of young women raising funds for this surgery.

Why? What is the problem even if its 50,000, 100,000, 1,000,000 young women are having this surgery if its lifesaving? If the treatment works and is essential then why does it matter how many people are raising money for it?

If there is controversy around the actual figures, why not commission some official, peer reviewed research? In fact, there are a lot of researchers who would like to do research in this area, why not fund definitive research so that we can all see exactly how effective this treatment is and how many people want it?

Wouldn't that be a great way forward....?

So some charity collection sites and doctors/surgeons are making £££££.

I've just had a scout around uk.gofundme, and I can't work out how to exclude the American crowdfunders raising money for elective mastectomies.

Nearly all of those young women wanting funding for mastectomies are under the age of 25.

The human brain doesn't fully develop until 25.

It's an absolute criminal tragedy that surgeons are exploiting these young women.

Search for top surgery

People have autonomy over their own bodies and no-one else should be concerning themselves with anyone else's. Specially a bunch of strangers to you.

Let them be.

As per the previous thread, even in the US, it's not clear whether "top surgery" means implants for some or double mastectomies for others (depending on the nature of the transition or if somebody is moving to NB status).

This all feels like a repeat of the errors - which is why the first thread was removed/edited (whichever it was).

Correction - June 24th.

It's also quoted in a Glinner update from June 28th. He talkef about it on you-tube later too (I think) and clarified it slightly in terms of location and numbers and platform, but I don't know what date.

Here.

Does Shrier's book mention the alleged figures anywhere and who (if anyone) verified the data?

Yes the book does mention figures, though simply as over thirty thousand. I do not know if anyone has independently verified the figures, I have simply given the context of how they are in the book. My post above clearly stated it was US figures, not UK.

A quick search on uk Gofundme gives 13261 for topsurgery

Don't know the area this covers, but even if it includes the US, that's a hell of a number of ruined bodies

Does Shrier's book mention the alleged figures anywhere and who (if anyone) verified the data?

Photos showing quote and reference from Irreversible Damage book.

I am in the middle of reading Abigail Sheir's book and it is a figure quoted in there but is a US figure not UK.

It was deleted iirc (or edited?) because of a number of us had contacted MNHQ with concerns about the inaccuracies.