Frances Barber Under Attack From TRAs

Yes, one by one, it's all being debunked, on the public stage. The fake suicide statistics now don't get mentioned, nor does the 35 year life expectancy, or the likelihood of being murdered. Harassment is also going out the window. And general oppression, simply can't be maintained in the teeth of all the rainbow flags.

Don’t forget the bank of England, big business, international ‘coffee’ shops, banking/construction/professional services...

Impressed my fat bahookie.

When banks and police forces are flying your flag, you ain't an oppressed minority!

I'm becoming increasingly concerned that so many women don't realise that the people who spit such bile online are the exact same people who are keen to share their safe spaces.

Which of course was JKR's point. I'm sure she'd be the first to say, ok, you have made your claims, I have made mine, now make your case as I have.

And all she gets is an extended version of Monty Python's Argument sketch. It's bloody ridiculous.

I'm becoming increasingly concerned that so many women don't realise that the people who spit such bile online are the exact same people who are keen to share their safe spaces.
Do they think that if these TRAs get their way they will be sweet and kind to all the women they encounter in what were once women's spaces?

What solutions are being put forward for the female people being excluded from any provision so male people can have their preferred choice from all the provisions?

'but equally forcing trans women to use male spaces puts them at risk'

NOT OUR PROBLEM

It's not just about safeguarding women & children & giving them privacy & dignity, it's about making it possible for certain religious women to take part in society.

Also many women with Autism often speak about not being able to use single sex spaces that are in fact mixed sex, and many women with trauma and a history of DV. The purpose of single sex female spaces is first and foremost to make it possible for all female people to take part in society. To exclude them to include male people is not inclusion, and it is actively using sex based thinking (while denying it) in a way that prioritises all members of one sex above all members of another.

@terryleather @FreeBritnee

So happy to see other people following The Science on this.

Absolutely Sophocles, let's force the dissenters into the gulags good folxs club while we're at it..

Frances Barber is a magnificent woman and has always been a force of nature that lights up anywhere she performs.

Well, we’ve got two pieces of evidence now, terry, that’s proper sciencing, that is!

Let’s change some laws on that basis.

Oooo I like your diagram Sophocles, I've got a version too...

Late to this thread but joining to say that I didn't know Frances Barber was in Hamlet at Windsor until I read this. I have bought tickets for the whole family for next month and emailed the theatre (as I don't tweet) to sign her praises.

Why is males having access to women’s spaces more important than females having access to women’s spaces in your opinion?

Would really like to hear the answer to this.

Also, Sophocles, that diagram is most illuminating.

You've missed the point, which is that women who abide by the rules of some religions cannot use mixed-sex facilities. It's not just about safeguarding women & children & giving them privacy & dignity, it's about making it possible for certain religious women to take part in society.

Yes - this is why we e.g. don’t ban religious dress on beaches in the U.K. It’s also easy to also see that lack of provision for people who suffer from gender dysphoria can be restrictive. That is one of the reasons why there should also be unisex spaces.

You can say you think trans women in single sex spaces puts muslim women at risk, which I disagree with, but equally forcing trans women to use male spaces puts them at risk.

Please keep up. The proposed changes allow men into single sex spaces. Whether or not they claim to identify as trans or women is neither here nor there if ‘trans’ and ‘woman’ no longer have any objective meaning.

This diagram might help, lazyviper? Seems clear enough

Amazing how ingrained this goodies and baddies culture is for TRAs. They spend hours combing through people’s social media in search of something conceivably dodgy, then go to the trouble of contacting all their mutual friends/followers screaming “You should know this person is EVIL and UNSAFE, block at once” or whatever. And then the friends/followers issue public apologies and repent for the crime of willingly reading the words of a miscreant.

I’m not sure they can even take on board the concept of nuance, or agreeing with people on certain things and not others. Everything’s so simple for them. So black and white. Goodies (hardly anyone) or baddies (the majority of humans). And at any moment, a goody can be plunged into the fire of rejection if they slip up, so they must self-police 24/7. No wonder they’re always banging on about how exhausting everything is.

Frances Barber is a force of nature and I hope it puts off future Jays from launching attacks on public figures’ livelihoods.

So many good points on this thread.

I have just written a letter to Barclays Bank, yes a real letter, on paper (parchment not being available). I have explained, in detail, TO A BANK, the differences between men and women, the safeguarding implications of having males in female only spaces. ALL THIS TO A F*ING BANK

I have concentrated on their current appalling advertising campaign, I know that others will be concentrating on the unpleasant activities of their employee

Bring back the day when we used to just discuss overdrafts with our bank

Women are not on this earth to act as validation tools, human shields or collateral damage for men.
Absolutely Reddogsbeg!

However, even if there was evidence that still doesn't make any kind of case for women being forced to act as human shields to protect one set of males from the violence of another set of males.

Women are not on this earth to act as validation tools, human shields or collateral damage for men.