The Guardian have upped their game, we’re now Anti-trans for asking for same-sex spaces

As far as i can see the far left and far right meet at either end

They both have extremists

Read it too. It’s an offensive and belittling dismissal of women’s concerns about safety.

what really depresses me is that so many left wing activists are TWAW, leaving the extreme right as the defenders of women's rights and safe spaces. I'm very left wing and hate finding myself on the same side as right wing extremists.

I cannot believe that the editor saw fit to publish this outrageous piece of propaganda.

That was the final straw for me with the Guardian. I’ve been a daily reader for over 30 years, but I’m done now. This is an unbelievably biased, propagandist bullshit piece.

47 years in my case, but I'm done. I'll miss Hadley, Marina and John Crace, but I'm done.

Read it in disbelief and then came here to make sure I wasn't going mad!

I've noticed recently the Guardian only covering trans stuff one sidedly. Their depiction of trans (mostly ftm) 'heroes' doesn't reflect my admittedly more provincial experience of 1. A man who's dumped on his long term partner and kids so he can be his true self 2. Local builder in full make up/long hair who my partner says 'used to be a big arrogant prick, and hasn't changed!' But I doubt his change of gender will lead to a pay cut in his profession. 3. Daughter's friend's dad who told his son ' I'm not going to be as good at timekeeping now I'm a woman, I'm going to be late for stuff' sensible son can see right through it. In the Guardian it seems like a narrative which only involves brave community leaders. I would love to see 'Diary of a Transwidow' in the Saturday review.

Also, more on topic, I saw there were protests happening again at Wi Spa last night on Twitter and saw someone moaning that journalists had been hurt/arrested and when someone said one of the journos was from the Guardian I actually laughed because the Guardian haven't covered anything about Wi Spa for the last month.

This article now makes sense.

I won't be clicking on that bilge though.

@cariadlet sorry but everything you've written is just nonsense.

For a start, almost every GC person I know is left wing. I've yet to meet these mysterious right wingers who give a shit about women.

Secondly, plenty of right wingers - including some ministry leader in the US recently who went viral wanging on about his trans daughter - absolutely embrace TWAW because in their bigoted (and poorly educated brains) it's far preferable to accept a child "born in the wrong body" than a gay one.

Thirdly, the era of left/right politics is firmly over. We live in a single issue world now and no one party can adequately represent any of us. Real world politics has yet to catch up with that which is one reason Labour is so split.

Fourthly, the rag tag bunch collectively termed the "left" have swung far more to the extreme left than the right have gone far right.

That's why in the US it's now the left wing trying to ban South Park and To Kill a Mocking Bird when 20 years ago it was the right wing.

And why it's the left who are regularly promoting almost unthinkable racism and trying to ban free speech.

Fifthly, the US generally is pitched further right than ours even in "normal" times (their Democrats are more like our middle-of-the-road Conservatives).

But blabber on all you like about how left wing you are and how awful it is those nasty right-wingers are defending women's spaces

That “falsely” is ridiculous. Given that a UK court has recently acknowledged that trans women do pose a risk to women in spaces that are designated single-sex - they didn’t give a shit, but they acknowledged it - would it be possible to get the Guardian to correct that?

I’m also confused about what actually happened. When it was women protesting and TRAs, the police didn’t protect the women. Now they’re being aggressive against the TRAs when the other side are mostly Proud Boys? I also note that Antifa thanked the cops early on in this particular fracas. Everything is very strange.

It’s also telling that they choose to publish this now when the focus is on the protests, not at the time of the original incident. Because clearly explaining that a male got into a jacuzzi with a semi isn’t a good narrative. Fuck you Guardian.

Long time lurker here this has moved me to post. Been reading the Guardian for 30 odd years, yes lefty liberal, clicked on the article while breastfeeding my baby in bed early this morning. Rising sense of wtf am I reading? I'm not feeling very eloquent or able to pinpoint what is wrong with this article - luckily there are many great posters on this board who can do that! It would be a great piece of teaching material for gender crit 101. This article is an active misrepresentation of reality. I wouldn't know that if I hadn't been on here. I find that really frightening.

I found that article very frustrating. I'm quite prepared to believe that extreme right-wing groups have jumped on the bandwagon here and that they are responsible for the violence. However, this kneejerk response 'If they say X, X must be wrong, so I now believe Y' is how we got into this mess.

I would love to see a calm, fact-based letter to the editor of the Guardian providing evidence that these concerns are not "baseless." I suppose even if they receive it, they won't print it.

Fucking US culture wars ruining everything.

I reckon we will see more of this. Both the violence and the propaganda. As more sunlight is shone & people get to know what is really going on, they will have to increase the pressure. I'm expecting a flood of new posters accusing us of being Qanon nutjobs.

I just cancelled my recurring monthly contribution to the Guardian. I've been reading it since it was the Manchester Guardian and I feel like I've had an argument with a really old friend. I left them an angry message explaining why I was doing this. Made me feel about 1% better.

The woman being shot with the rubber bullet was awful.

True, but whenever I do something like the political compass quiz I always come out pretty close to the bottom left hand corner ie very economically left wing and socially very liberal.

The only area where I end up with common ground with the extreme right is that I disagree with TWAW. I come at it from a feminist angle, wanting to protect women's safe spaces etc. Some of the protesters at the Wi Spa look like the kind of MAGA idiots who stormed the Capitol and are likely to be coming at the issue from a socially Conservative, probably trad Christian angle. I hate being on the same side of an argument as people like that.

The Observer even.

Yup, the most inaccurate, biased piece yet for the Guardian.
So it's ' right wing' to defend women's dignity.
I can unfortunately see our teenagers lapping it up.

Look forward to Sodha's response

That was the final straw for me with the Guardian. I’ve been a daily reader for over 30 years, but I’m done now. This is an unbelievably biased, propagandist bullshit piece.

It's the most inaccurate article I have ever read on trans issues in the Guardian, which is truly saying something. It's not reporting, it's an editorial (a shit one), disguised as reportage:

Calls to defend “female spaces” and “women’s shelters” have become rallying cries of anti-trans groups, who have falsely suggested that trans-inclusive policies endanger cis women

Tell that to Karen White's victims.

There are more political colours than the left wing and the “extreme right”.

Such a lousy example of journalism apart from anything else. Reads like something from a school magazine. No attempt at balance whatsoever. Rather obvious attempts to ' fuzz up the message ' on safeguarding by dragging in all sorts of extraneous nonsense about Qanon etc. The kind of hit piece the Sun used to publish about gay people back in the 80s. Shame on you Viner.

Not clicking on it. Is there an archive anywhere.