The Guardian have upped their game, we’re now Anti-trans for asking for same-sex spaces

Seems like desperate ‘journalism’ from the Guardian. I think we will only see more of this as more sensible voices, like Helen Joyce, are heard on the subject. Curious as to how they will tie this in to reporting on male violence against women and Sarah Everard.

Also think the left/right wing is unhelpful, divisive and much less relevant now, it also stops people working together to get stuff done which will actually help people. My view is we have people and groups who are incredibly racist, homophobic, intolerant etc. and we shouldn’t necessarily group those people as right wing, they are just bigots.

In my limited experience, when ‘women are late for things’ it’s because they are trying to shift three belligerent small children towards the car while carrying the cool bag abs aboard clothes and trying not to let the cat out.

Meanwhile ‘the man’ is smugly in the car at the time he’d randomly planned to set off.

@NothingIsWrong

You're clearly gender fluid

I’ve hunted FB and Twitter to see if they’ve linked it

They're linked to it but they're not getting much engagement:
twitter.com/guardiannews/status/1416607784695631875
twitter.com/GuardianUS/status/1416604956937920512
twitter.com/SocietyGuardian/status/1416592823097303046

It is being shared though. It's just a lot of people seem to be swerving away.

Why, just yesterday I mowed the lawn with the massive heavy diesel mower because DH has hurt his knee. Where do I hand my ovaries in please?

What?!? Women are late for things? I'm the most compulsively on time person that I know!

I imagine that's because you're an actual person and not a concept. But what do I know I'm just a cervix haver.

It’s always the offensive stereotypes “oooh now I’m a woman I’m like such a flippety gibbet little air head who can’t be on time for things”

I remember a fawning interview the times did with a French transwoman where they said that she wouldn’t move the chairs they needed for the interview because you know women are such fragile creatures they don’t move chairs, that’s a man job 🙄🙄

That “falsely” is ridiculous. Given that a UK court has recently acknowledged that trans women do pose a risk to women in spaces that are designated single-sex - they didn’t give a shit, but they acknowledged it - would it be possible to get the Guardian to correct that?

I do think there should be a flood of complaints to the regulator, it's a solid editorial error

Many demonstrators chanted “Save our children,” a slogan taken up by QAnon conspiracy theorists, whose ideology is centered on an elaborate narrative about a cabal of influential paedophiles.

They're edging in territory saying that safeguarding of children is part of the QAnonn conspiracy theory. They're losing sight of the fact that what they're giving support to goes way beyond what would be acceptable to the mainstream. Blinded by righteousness they're heading out to where the ice becomes thin.

whenever i click on a guardian article and I get their massive yellow begging message telling me I've read X articles for free this year, I think good. The sooner you fuckers go out of business the better. And never more so than this morning

They used to be my go to place for news and comment. 15 years ago I'd have been on their site every day over the last 18 months trying to work out what was going on with covid. But now they're shit and I can't trust a damn word they way

Something great has become debased. the sooner it just crawls away and dies, the better

It's very convenient for The Guardian to give the impression this is a US fundie culture wars thing.

They can pretend incidents like the Wi Spa aren't happening in this country that our own government isn't putting male rapists in women's prisons.

We don't have a group like the Proud Boys so it's harder to make the case for the framing they prefer closer to home. Much easier to pretend this is a bigoted USA thing than acknowledging that women and girls are being harmed the world over because of quasi religious dogma emanating largely from the left wing.

Lois Beckett who co-wrote the article describes in this 2018 interview that she was employed by Guardian US specifically to cover the far-right after Donald Trump became president,

On The Media 'Face the Racist Nation'

www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/otm/episodes/on-the-media-2018-03-02

Pinned tweet,
"Our hour-long onthemedia episode about mistakes journalists make when interviewing white supremacists is airing again this weekend.

Appropriately enough, since it seems that we will keep making the exact same mistakes again and again and again"

twitter.com/loisbeckett/status/1036708599198699520

It was so obvious to anyone on the left who wasn't totally consumed with identity politics that the alt right and Christian
right in the US would use this as a stick to beat left wing "progressives" with - it's just so demonstrably wrong.

Exactly. It's an easy target for the alt right because it's so batshit!

This is not difficult. If your facility has a female area, there should be no cock and balls in that area, regardless of who they are attached to. Otherwise it is not a female area and should not be advertised as such. Why is this so hard to grasp? And so controversial?

I must admit that I am baffled by political binaryism. I've always dealt with issues on a case-by-case basis: on some I am more conservative and on others more liberal.

It's like using only one tool to perform a variety of tasks: need to hang a painting? Use a hammer. Need to fix a leaky tap? Use a hammer. Need to weed the garden? Use a hammer.

It was so obvious to anyone on the left who wasn't totally consumed with identity politics that the alt right and Christian
right in the US would use this as a stick to beat left wing "progressives" with - it's just so demonstrably wrong. If only left wing progressives could have been less bloody-minded and arrogant in their self-righteousness, they could have drawn a line in the sand somewhere and realised that there have to be some boundries. But nooooo...and now we have this massive clusterfuck.

It's very, very lazy reporting.

I have no doubt that this issue is being exploited by some, right wing politicians in the US, who couldn't care less about women. However, this article operates on their level. The remark about womens' shelters (note the unnecessary quote marks) gives the game away.

Well I did wonder what the guardians response to Helen Joyce’s unarguable fact based analysis of trans rights activism would be - it’s clearly this

And secondly that the trust that oversees the guardian is clearly very heavily influenced by the American members of the board

Some of the protesters at the Wi Spa look like the kind of MAGA idiots who stormed the Capitol and are likely to be coming at the issue from a socially Conservative, probably trad Christian angle

@cariadlet - Wow. You can tell all of that by one photo? Seriously, yours was a seriously poorly-informed inflammatory post.

The Guardian will hopefully clarify where their boundaries are in relation to indecent exposure.

They are clear that they vigorously support the right of transwomen to wilfully expose their penises to women and girls. Does this support extend to exposure for sexual gratification?

(In theory of course: we all know all men become saints once they say they’re women...)

Not often I'm speechless so kudos to the guardian on really achieving something here.

I'd like to think that they will take this down and apologise because as someone already said it's an opinion piece dressed up as news reporting. The use of "" around women's spaces etc to suggest they're some make believe concept rather than hard-won rights has incensed me.

It'll have to be Private Eye I think as my primary source of reasoned and intelligent debate.

"who have falsely suggested that trans-inclusive policies endanger cis women.”

It's this constant misrepresenting of it. Trans status - ie whether someone feels they have a particular internal inner getting they call "gender" - has nothing to do with whether someone should be able to access single-sex spaces.
Just come out and say that "women are lying when they say that naked males are ever harmful to women" because that's what they seem to want to convey, but can't actually being themselves to write those words so come up with mealy-mouthed euphemisms about "policies".

@RufustheBadgeringReindeer, I've been saying for years that they meet round back, discussing the best means of silencing those who disagree with being dictated to.

I'm not going to give the Guardian any clicks for that article. I honestly think that they are contemptible, not only on this issue but others as well.

And I also used to be a loyal reader, but a combo of a relentlessly urban focus and the trailer-loads of bullshit have completely put me off.