The Guardian have upped their game, we’re now Anti-trans for asking for same-sex spaces

Noting without comment that on the guardian app the story has been moved from being the second lead underneath Sajid Javid having Covid to being about the 4th story in the “world section” which is someway down the list of sections….

So the thing is, you kind of are anti trans asking for same sex spaces. Isn't that the point? You are being exclusionary.

I think some TRA's must have had a lobotomy of some kind when I see their 'arguments'.

I honestly just feel sorry for regular gender non conforming (or trans if you like) people and those with dysphoria. They probably just want to get on with their lives but zealous nutjobs like mishy are making it very difficult.

I always picture them frothing at the mouth. Weirdos.

*think

The only people women want excluded from single sex spaces is male people.

Obviously some people thing this is bigoted because they think that all males should have the right to put their penises anywhere they want for any reason they want.

This isn't social justice it's male supremacy.

Call us bigoted if you like just own what it is you're actually demanding.

It should not startle anyone that a stopped clock is right twice a day.

As PPs say, the fact that RW align with other people on one issue and no (or very few) other(s) indicates nothing beyond the power of large numbers when there are so very many issues and topics in the political arena.

So the thing is, you kind of are anti trans asking for same sex spaces. Isn't that the point? You are being exclusionary.

The point of single sex spaces particularly where girls and women of all ages are bathing naked is that the majority of women would seek to exclude all adult males. Their gender identity is not the issue it is their sex.
There will be significant numbers of women in California (of all ages, political preferences, faiths and none) who object strongly to the complete removal of sex-based Safeguarding. It's likely that many are unaware of the impact and specifics of laws in California that prevent any adult male from being refused entry to female single sex spaces.

"There's no evidence that something that has been the law for years happened."

Alrighty then.

The killer point for me is this: "California has for years had laws in place that allow trans people to use facilities that match their gender."

Same as the Uk, by the way.

Because your point is demonstrably wrong you make coherent discussion of trans rights impossible.

@MishyJDI "No evidence" apart from literal video footage of women - mostly women of colour - complaining to the reception staff.

Are you calling the Black woman who filmed the video a liar? Do you think you might be a racist, Mishy?

The “hoax” angle is disingenuous given that the spa does allow male genitalia in the female-only facilities, and responded to Cubana Angel’s complaint on the basis that the person exhibiting said genitalia identified a woman.

Best-case is they knew there was a transwoman in there; worst-case is they didn’t.

The “hoax” thing doesn’t help their case even if it did add up.

So the thing is, you kind of are anti trans asking for same sex spaces. Isn't that the point? You are being exclusionary.

Same sex spaces do not exclude trans people any more than over 60s bus passes exclude women.

And there is still no proof that this actual incident occurred and was not made up to make a fuss.

I think it is actually balanced - it's that it doesn't concur with your view that makes you see it as unfair.

The killer point for me is this: "California has for years had laws in place that allow trans people to use facilities that match their gender."

Same as the Uk, by the way. And all that can be counter challenged is statistically small cases by those who are quite rightly condemned and where committing a crime, charged and dealt with. The rest is just fear mongering and makes good copy and provides some people with what they see is a meaningful campaign I guess.

The vast majority of trans people are just trying to live their lives from what I can see.

Thumbs up for the Guardian from me - so hard to see the wood from the trees in modern day media where so much is sensationalised, or thrown out there with no proof it happened.

The Guardian has opted out of being regulated and now marks its own homework

Well that explains a lot.

I should have known about that to be fair, I do remember something about it.

I would still write to the Reader’s Editor. And the letters page FWIW.

It was full of the most offensive stereotypes (with some occasional AGP dropped in for good measure).

Again, it's not surprising a right-leaning publication is subscribed to sexist stereotypes and by extension the TRA agenda. Because, oh yes, wearing pearls and some lippie and enjoying flower-arranging is what makes you a woman.

I don't see how this kind of penis exposure and the kind that preceded the murder of Sarah Everard are any different? Is it possible to put the 2 side by side (from the Guardian) via screenshots?

I don't have the technical know how but it is telling that no one sees the cognitive dissonance in damning only one of these.

Note from today's Times that a Police officer is to be appointed to lead on VAWG. I wonder what that officer will see as the difference.

The false flag narrative doesn't work when the right wing use it and it won't work for the left either.

Another article that makes one wonder yet again, 'What happened to the Guardian?'

I am so pissed off about this, shitty article, lazy journalism, and the issue about safety for women and girls is now completely lost because it's been taken over by a frenzied fight between two groups.

The issue itself just feels like it's been forgotten now, and if it isn't forgotten it's written off as a 'hoax'

Here's an archive link @MiladyBerserko:

web.archive.org/web/20210718062732/theguardian.com/society/2021/jul/18/dozens-arrested-in-los-angeles-as-anti-trans-protest-outside-spa-turns-violent