Sian Berry

They were just talking about this on the news and so I came here to find out more. The discussion on the news was similarly inconclusive in terms of what these 'mixed messages' on trans rights were. What they did say was that her co-leader had resigned a few weeks ago so yet again there will be leadership elections.

Littlbrowndog asks if she is going to a better paid job. The BBC website quotes her saying she will concentrate on being a London Assembly member. Like Holyrood and the Senedd, London Assembly members are elected via the constituency or additional member routes. You get two votes - 1 for where you live and 1 for the party list (and another vote for Mayor but that's not relevant here).

There is nowhere in London where the Greens are likely to get a constituency seat either as an MP or as an Assembly member. However, adding up all the Green votes across London, she has got quite a nice safe seat in the Assembly so I think that there's something in the suggestion that she is trying to get a smaller but more secure power base.

Obviously there could be other things going on. Maybe, too, there are people in the Greens who resemble those Labour members who are more interested in ideological purity than in helping the people they claim to be concerned about by actually getting elected and be in a position to do something.

This is why extinction rebellion exist - the left will eat itself while the planet burns

Has she not just gone off to a better paid job despite her whiny post without actually saying anything

Them rich women with all the privilege ☹️

Why is it so important to Sian that the Greens have one voice on trans inclusion? So much so that she's quitting with this as the reason?

Because she will (and probably already is) get vile abuse from the trans inclusionary greens for failing to "stamp out" different opinions and as she can't do that she's promoting this as the reason in an attempt to deflect the abuse.

No idea what's going on, it was announced initially through the media and not officially though GP channels, but hopefully it will bring to the attention of more members the ridiculousness of the GP position.

The only way the Greens could be more TWAW would be if they changed the party name to the Green TWAW Party

I suspect something is going to come out that isnt going to play at all well in the media. They got away with the Challenor stuff because it happened 2 years ago when most of the press hadnt a clue what was really going on. Now they do......

Canadians are presently dying in their thousands because of global warming.

The green party care about..... Pronouns, and giving sex predators an orgasmatron...

They will tear themselves apart over this, foolishly IMO.

Shahrar Ali is indeed a women's rights advocate, and one of their few prominent members of colour. And a spokesperson for them.

I've got a feeling there is a story behind this. Someone as nakedly ambitious as SB doesn't give up being leader this easily. I wonder what will emerge.

Green Party spokesperson said: "We are proud to be the most progressive party on issues ranging from trans rights to immigration, from the rights of women to the climate emergency". Hmmmm

I've been following Ali for a bit, and I amazed he hasn't thrown in the towel given all the hate he gets. I'm also very surprised that TRAs haven't managed to get him suspended / expelled from the party yet.

I have huge respect for Shahrar Ali and see this flounce as a very positive step forward for The Green Party.

Sian maybe a woman hating dick, but she is not stupid.

"Women's rights and trans rights go hand in hand"...first that is not possible and second trans rights appear to take the top controlling hand...women, know your place.

It is indeed a family with a wealth of issues.

Aimee's former stepbrother (now stepsister)

Didn't know that - 'kinell it must run in families

The Green Party is totally captured and now is only interested in this issue. So the claim that Sian has steped down because the meanies are too powerful is bullshit, its a total lie.
She knows the tide is turning and is saving her reputation.

Italics fail.

From the article in The Guardian:

"[T]he party had agreed at its last conference to back a motion that supports self-determination of gender and seeks to remove the heavily medicalised and traumatic process imposed by the Gender Recognition Act on those seeking to update their legally recognised gender.

“It is important to recognise that women’s rights and trans rights go hand in hand and the party conference continues to consider policy proposals on this issue,” the spokesperson said."

The Green Party made significant gains in the last local elections. Sian is a career politician who has spent her entire adult life climbing that greasy pole.So what gives? Careerists like Sian do not 'decide to spend more time with their families' without a very good reason for doing so, basically its not out of choice

My reading is Sian has cottoned on that she is not on the right side of history after all (there is just too much shit coming out all over the place now) but she is not ready to change tack (to many TRAs in the party) so she has got out while the going is still good, hoping when it blows up she will be well out of the blast zone.

Charmingly tho, before going (remember those TRAs still have a vote in the Greens) she has tried to smear GC candidates who would try to replace her.
What am absolute charmer.

We must never let her off the hook for what she has done.

It seems to be Shahrar Ali she’s objecting to.

I can’t remember the details but I have a faint memory of him sticking up for actual women. Maybe we have a flicker of hope here?

Are the Greens to bonkers for Sian? or is Sian too bonkers for them?

The latter. She's spat her dummy because members didn't vote for the people she told them to.

Is it too soon to hope that this might be the beginning of the Greens beginning to campaign about environmental issues rather than campaigning for women to lose their single sex spaces?

Oh good. I may be able to vote for someone now.