Creationism and genderism

@InspiralCoalescenceRingdown @theThreeofWeevils
Honestly I not an experienced poster on these forums - I have stumbled into a subfourm - I didn't even realise there were sub-forums - I just click "refresh" on the £Trending Now" section top right if I see a word that gets my attention - creationism did - I'm a physicist, atheist, teacher - with a lightly humorous interest in spreading the gospel of science so I'm up for a bit of banter about creationism - that is all. Increasingly, I think, in an age of conspiracy theories and pseudoscience communicating scientific ideas by talking at the level of your audience is so important - I'd avoid using terms and acronyms that might exclude people if I want to reach out and engage with people - even those standing just outside the fence enclosing people with an interest or some knowledge in a particular topic - you never who might get drawn in.

...and that was all.

I only came to MN to post one thing but it's proving to be quite an education - I'm kinda gripped by the sweet and sour of beautiful insights and vitriol. ;-)

There's a documentary on Netflix called 'Behind the Curve'. It's worth a watch, there were some very striking parallels between flat earthers and genderists.

I tend to avoid any religious connotations and call TWAS flat-earthers The people who say they believe the earth is flat know very well that it isn't but still insist that it is. Difference is they don't expect the rest of humanity to believe it too and call in the mob when they don't....

I'm sure I remember a non binary penguin.

All animals or just reasonably sentient ones? Horses or cats maybe. What about mosquitoes?

Anything, I think. 🤔

academic.oup.com/bioscience/article/55/2/178/221485

All animals or just reasonably sentient ones? Horses or cats maybe. What about mosquitoes?

There are, from my personal perspective, positives and negatives about Evangelical Christian beliefs. I don’t expect everyone to agree on everything.

It is still the case that genderist ideology has mostly been developed in countries that were traditionally mostly Protestant and are now usually Post-Protestant. That is heavily reflected in genderism and identity politics.

Yes, its like groundhog day isent it.

many evangelical Christians who some of you are so scathing about are campaigning tirelessly against the TWAW mantra. You don't have to agree on everything but know that you have allies where you might not always expect it.

True, but the type of 'Christian' who will abuse randoms on the internet for believing dinosaurs existed is a far cry from even most Evangelicals.

I think it's fine to point out the similarities in cults, even if members of one cult agree the other cult is crazy.

Personally I'd put Genderists right next to anti-vaxers in the intersection of pseudoscience and quackery.

It being a new religion forming is the only thing I enjoy about it. It is very interesting to watch.

Everything else about it is making life worse for women.

I support their right to oppose gender ideology and we may certainly agree on some things like children not being medicalised or subjected to surgery, but doesn't mean I won't criticise beliefs and practices. I tend not to give people a free pass - I'm quite critical of atheists who blindly follow genderism. Beliefs should never be above criticism.

They think humans, unlike animals, have an inner essence they call gender identity and that this soul is what makes us humans.

I think some of the really nutty ones think animals have gender identities too. There's been calls to not assume animals are merely male/female. 🙄

Fascinating! It's so hard to find people irl who'll have these kind of conversations.

Another similarly between creationism/fundamentalism and genderism is the way they draw a distinction between humans and other animals.

Anyone with even a passing familiarity with evolutionary biology understands that human beings are simply animals, no more no less.

Creationists believe humans are different, and special, compared to animals. They believe, literally, that we were made by God "in his image". They believe we, unlike animals, have a soul and that this soul is what makes us humans.

Genderists reject, it seems, the idea that humans are simply animals. They say that "man" and "woman" are social constructs, whereas they'd presumably accept "stallion" and "mare" are physical realities. They think humans, unlike animals, have an inner essence they call gender identity and that this soul is what makes us humans.

Apart from the gendered soul idea, one of the most religious elements of it is the notion that some people have recently gone through some kind of awakening and can therefore say that any idea or cultural pattern that happened prior to 2010 is immoral, incorrect and to be discarded. That is very common and very much a religious idea.

Just a word of note, many evangelical Christians who some of you are so scathing about are campaigning tirelessly against the TWAW mantra. You don't have to agree on everything but know that you have allies where you might not always expect it.

If religion is/was the opiate of the masses, then secularism has left a lot of people incredibly desperate for a fix. Social justice and identity politics seems to work as a substitute for many.

There was always a risk with atheists that they would throw the baby out with the bath water.

By refusing to acknowledge all the important complex functions that religion plays, and all the intellectual thought contained within religion over thousands of years, they left themselves and people exiting religion who believed them very vulnerable to being taken in by other ideologies.

You can live a really great and fulfilling life without religion, but it takes effort to put together all that culture, meaning, purpose, community, shared tradition, inner reflection, meditation and moral thought in other ways.

And many people didn’t put that effort in. So they get sucked into things which are essentially new religions without any of the understanding and caution people would usually apply when approaching religious ideas.

Definitely lots of parallels between creationism and genderism. Creationists love to say there are 'scientific studies' to prove intelligent design, Noah's ark etc.

The irony is that many of the smug 'atheists' these days are blind worshippers at the gender altar. They seem incapable of seeing their own blind faith and refuse to use logic and rationality at their own beliefs while sneering at religious people.