The charity "Birthrights" is being abused and threatened

Yes, I also reviewed my position. I was definitely inclusive/a trans ally - I saw no reason why there should be any issue in including transwomen in my feminism. My impression was largely formed by reading things like the series that ran in the Guardian about a transitioner, and other broadly sympathetic stories about transsexuals.

Then in about 2014 someone referred to me as “cis” and I didn’t understand what they meant. They told me, and suggested I educate myself.

So I did! I read everything I could get my hands on, and talked to as many people as I could, before #nodebate really started to kick in. I read Caitlin Jenner tell me that the hardest thing about being a woman was deciding what to wear. I read about the Sylvia Rivera Law Project and Laverne Cox fighting to have Synthia China Blast, a violent child rapist and killer to be freed because of their struggle to be recognised as a woman within the penal system. I read about the targeting and subsequent shutdown of the women only Michfest festival due to its policy that transwomen, although welcome in a specific camp, were not permitted full access.

I changed my mind about my support because I could not help but notice the disastrous impact that the push to replace sex with gender in public life has had women’s rights, and women’s realities, and I’ve not read or discussed anything since that has disabused me of that impression.

You won’t change my mind back by just saying “don’t you think you’re kind of horrid?”

give women here some credit, if you can, that we have got where we are by a process of reason, based on our experience and knowledge, and if you want that to change, you’re going to have to use reason to make that happen.

10/10 for multi-tasking, though.

Thanks RickiTarr.

If there were screenshots, people who were undecided or had no opinion about gender issues would be swayed to become an ally.

Please post screenshots

There would definitely be screenshots if GC women were posting threats. They'd be retweeted all over the Internet by popular people who believe in TWAW etc

Still no evidence of these abusive, threatening GC ''baddies'' then Pumpkin??

Not everything you read on Twatter is true. I understand it's probably exciting thinking you have a reason to come and tell all the silly wimmin off, but maybe check you're telling us off for something that actually happened next time.

I think OP means “gender critical people”.

What are GC's. Thanks. Googled it but couldnt find anything.

Have Birthrights said what kind of "violence" they have been threatened with? Because in a world where a woman saying "no" is considered "violence", and a woman being threatened with rape, death, lynching, burning as a TERF, is just getting what they deserve, it's important to be clear.

This is a key point. I'm not sure Birthrights have elaborated on these nebulous "threats of violence" unlike GC women and public figures who can post pages and pages of receipts.

Oh yes toffee that sounds lovely.

Deflection

Well done.

I regularly review my own position so, yes, I often consider whether I am wrong.

Have Birthrights said what kind of "violence" they have been threatened with? Because in a world where a woman saying "no" is considered "violence", and a woman being threatened with rape, death, lynching, burning as a TERF, is just getting what they deserve, it's important to be clear.

Soya sauce, olive oil and chilli. Mmmmmm. Pretty basic but it will be lovely. I also threw in some small cauliflower florettes (it’s just crazy in our kitchen).

and marinade some tofu at the same time

Ooh what are you marinading it in?

TRAs are getting themselves a reputation as the wolves who cried wolf when it comes to violence and threats of violence, unfortunately.

Which seems bizarre, given that presumably a significant proportion of gay, trans, and other nonconforming people have experienced actual threats and violence from the usual suspects when it comes to threats and violence. I suppose it's a combination of hypervigilance and experience of the fact that people tend to be sympathetic towards those who report being victims of threats and violence.

I would never abuse or threaten someone, and I've never seen any of my GC friends abuse or threaten someone, they usually use wise words to try and get their point of view across.

Please send links to the abuse GC women are sending and I will definitely read it and compare with the abuse and threats GC women receive and educate myself, as I am so often told to do. Thanks.

Only if it’s (controversial I know) treacle toffee 😋

Have a toffee toffee 🍬

We toffees must stick together

ISWYDT

You keep freaking me out because I see the ‘offee handle and think ‘I don’t remember writing that!’

Just as well we are generally in agreement. We toffees must stick together. 😂

littlbrowndog sorry only Weetabix cake for you.

toffee come and sit with me, we can be all toffee like together.

and we're not sharing, everyone else gets Weetabix cake

Marinading TOFU. Ffs 🤦‍♀️

That’s it now. Get over to the chat section

That’s worse than weetabix