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Is this a man or a woman?

364 replies

GreatBigBird · 13/07/2021 23:21

YABU: woman

YANBU: man

www.cp24.com/news/woman-charged-after-allegedly-sexually-assaulting-boy-6-in-toronto-park-1.5507641

I can’t even begin to express myself.

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Thelnebriati · 14/07/2021 10:14

The victim will be abused twice, the second time by their own government.

Collaborate · 14/07/2021 10:14

I am often saddened by the anti-trans posts on this site. I have had two clients (I am a family law solicitor) who are trans - one of each - and both have been very genuine and lovely people. There is too often on this site an attitude that labels all trans people as sex offenders.

What has happened in the case of Ruby Eby doesn't help. It is wrong. Eby seems to be a man. He has stubble, the facial structure of a man, and presumably a functioning penis. He is making no effort to look like a woman. Some women can also look manly, but they have a vagina, so looking like a woman is not the be all and end all of being accepted as a woman. Neither is, I think, having a natural vagina.

My trans female to male client had a vagina. He also had a beard, a deep voice, and no breasts. He was genuine.

The problem is with people who try and manipulate the system. There ought to be a better way.

DialSquare · 14/07/2021 10:13

Seeing as the article doesn't mention Trans anywhere, it would appear that the Reporters of this thread CAN actually tell the difference between men and women.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 14/07/2021 10:12

So some publications are not using the word ‘woman’ in articles about birth and women's health, and instead refer to ‘people’ or parts of anatomy, but are use ‘woman’ to describe a biologically male perpetrator of sex crime!

Thank you Dozer for pointing this out.
And unforgivable that a 6 year old child is being gaslighted by being forced to accept a lie.

anon12345678901 · 14/07/2021 10:10

I wonder if anyone who did report it, would like to come and explain the reasons why they did.

GreatBigBird · 14/07/2021 10:06

@ErrolTheDragon

Ah... I'd missed the response to the OP. Well, I guess we'd better take the time to report and request it's moved back again. My reasons are: It's constructed clearly as a poll, not a 'debate' Responses to the OPs question on a 'special interest' board which some people have hidden are invalid - biased samples are worse than useless.

Finally - if MNHQ moves a properly configured voting thread from AIBU, please could they as a matter of routine say why, and provide the voting stats at the point it was moved and thereby disabled?

I reported it and posted the reply above. I shouldn’t have been so hasty with my second post, but didn’t want it deleted for posting in the wrong place. My tone of voice was supposed to be 'move the thread. Whatever.' IYSWIM, but it doesn’t come across like that.

I wonder how many people actually did report it. That would also be interesting to know when moving threads. I wonder what would happen if people reported to move it back.

I'm due to start at work, so won’t have much chance to come back to the thread for a while.

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Sophoclesthefox · 14/07/2021 10:02

@FreeBritnee

How you identify is fluid, so who knows!!!
Well, maybe, but don’t you think that the state, the police and the press have an obligation to be truthful? They’re not there to endorse people identities, they’re there to serve, to protect and to report the truth.
Keepemguessing · 14/07/2021 10:00

MAN

LittleCatDog · 14/07/2021 09:54

@Dozer

So some publications are not using the word ‘woman’ in articles about birth and women's health, and instead refer to ‘people’ or parts of anatomy, but are use ‘woman’ to describe a biologically male perpetrator of sex crime!
Yes very good point! Angry
FreeBritnee · 14/07/2021 09:53

How you identify is fluid, so who knows!!!

IRanSoFarAway1 · 14/07/2021 09:53

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Whatwouldscullydo · 14/07/2021 09:51

It would be recorded as a man then surely?

FreeBritnee · 14/07/2021 09:49

Lack of Adams apple.makes it ambiguous. My gut instinct is man but it could be a trans man who has taken hormones 😬

AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken · 14/07/2021 09:48

@Abhannmor

Haha oh yes! Where is Mishy and their worn out copy and paste?

quiteathome · 14/07/2021 09:47

Once a serious sexual or violent crime has been committed the perpetrator should lost any right to the 'identified gender'. They should only be treated as their born sex.

Abhannmor · 14/07/2021 09:44

@Gumbomambo

Where are all our TRA friends? The ones who have riddled every other thread with their TWAW and gender not sex? …. Nothing? Not a peep.
Mishy will be along to explain everything.
Abhannmor · 14/07/2021 09:43

A man . The end.

Gumbomambo · 14/07/2021 09:43

Where are all our TRA friends? The ones who have riddled every other thread with their TWAW and gender not sex? …. Nothing? Not a peep.

ErrolTheDragon · 14/07/2021 09:38

Ah... I'd missed the response to the OP.
Well, I guess we'd better take the time to report and request it's moved back again.
My reasons are:
It's constructed clearly as a poll, not a 'debate'
Responses to the OPs question on a 'special interest' board which some people have hidden are invalid - biased samples are worse than useless.

Finally - if MNHQ moves a properly configured voting thread from AIBU, please could they as a matter of routine say why, and provide the voting stats at the point it was moved and thereby disabled?

DialSquare · 14/07/2021 09:34

YANBU

What sort of person, rather than be horrified and want to raise awareness of these issues, would report this post to be hidden away?

Whatwouldscullydo · 14/07/2021 09:32

So in their bid to “be kind” and avoid misgendering a violent rapist, police and the media colluded to portray this story as that of a missing woman, who may have been disguising herself as a man, thereby endangering the public who were completely misled about who was missing and why the police were interested

There was also that phone recording wasn't there ? Of a police officer discussing the case with a victim. The woman had an.abusive ex who had since ID'd as a woman. And they were referring to them.as such no matter what the woman said.

Sophoclesthefox · 14/07/2021 09:29

If you think this is only Canada, think again.

Here’s a magnificent piece of gaslighting from ITN

www.itv.com/news/calendar/update/2016-04-14/fresh-appeal-to-trace-missing-leeds-woman/

It is pitched as an appeal to find a “missing woman” who has been “known to use a male identity”.

Hauxwell was, in fact, a violent serial rapist, which under English law of course, requires the possession of a penis. Hauxwell had gone on the lam rather than face conviction again, and understandably the police were keen to catch up with Hauxwell.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/convicted-rapist-who-featured-crimewatchs-9988932

So in their bid to “be kind” and avoid misgendering a violent rapist, police and the media colluded to portray this story as that of a missing woman, who may have been disguising herself as a man, thereby endangering the public who were completely misled about who was missing and why the police were interested.

AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken · 14/07/2021 09:29

[quote MondayYogurt]Poor child. I hope he can recover from this attack. And I hope his attacker isn't housed with vulnerable women.

Stranger danger is real. There was this story this week (not to derail but it's important people know this still happens) [[https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/national/video-louisville-police-track-down-girl-kidnapped-while-riding-bike-arrest-suspect]][/quote]
Jesus Christ

I’ve just sobbed for ten minutes over this video. Thank god she was rescued

highame · 14/07/2021 09:27

Every time I see something like this I have to avoid because it makes me feel physically sick. Surely the majority of Canadians feel that way too and question the motives of some MtF transitioners. I hope this is being noted by the MoJ when considering how to deal with trans sex offenders

MotionActivatedDog · 14/07/2021 09:27

Unfortunately we can't reinstate the voting buttons.

They can if they move the thread back to AIBU.