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Is this a man or a woman?

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GreatBigBird · 13/07/2021 23:21

YABU: woman

YANBU: man

www.cp24.com/news/woman-charged-after-allegedly-sexually-assaulting-boy-6-in-toronto-park-1.5507641

I can’t even begin to express myself.

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FreeBritnee · 14/07/2021 11:22

@Furries

There were a number of twitter posts in recent days, all basically calling people out for being deranged and phobic over dildo monkey. And often screenshotting MN posts to highlight their points.

Will be interesting to see whether any of them give their feedback on this subject.

Can you link to that? I honestly cannot believe anyone could defend that at all. It was obviously a massive fuck up when they booked the event.
AlfonsoTheMango · 14/07/2021 11:18

@FreeBritnee

Lack of Adams apple.makes it ambiguous. My gut instinct is man but it could be a trans man who has taken hormones 😬
Seriously? Do you think that hormones will make a woman look like a man?
Furries · 14/07/2021 11:02

@Looneytune253

What if the reporter is very GC and it's a woman living as a man? Lol. You would have what you want and you wouldn't even know it. Devils advocate
A six year old child was abused - and you think “lol” is appropriate?
AlfonsoTheMango · 14/07/2021 11:02

@leeshuhui

Woman by sex
What?
Rhannion · 14/07/2021 11:02

@Beowulfa

By moving this thread, MNHQ are implying it's some sort of esoteric discussion about the finer points of feminism, maybe with some long words from sociology and suchlike.

This is a parenting site, and this topic is about child safeguarding. Specifically, about how an elected government has deliberately failed a six year old.

Ask yourself who benefits when discussions about child safety are quietly moved by anonymous demand. Ask what your child's school is teaching. Ask about safeguarding policy at every opportunity. Ask awkward questions. Be difficult. The vulnerable are failed when we do not question everything.

Well said
Rhannion · 14/07/2021 11:01

Are the news papers in Canada trying to show how shit this situation is by using a photograph of someone who is clearly male? I really hope they are.

Furries · 14/07/2021 11:00

@Thevenerableswede

My question disappeared after about two minutes.
Were you given a reason? Was it deleted or moved?
EmmaGrundyForPM · 14/07/2021 10:59

This needs to be in AIBU in order to reach the maximum number of people.

Of course he's a man. Complete with penis. To pretend otherwise is Emperor's New Clothes. That poor, poor child.

Furries · 14/07/2021 10:58

There were a number of twitter posts in recent days, all basically calling people out for being deranged and phobic over dildo monkey. And often screenshotting MN posts to highlight their points.

Will be interesting to see whether any of them give their feedback on this subject.

Thevenerableswede · 14/07/2021 10:57

My question disappeared after about two minutes.

Sophoclesthefox · 14/07/2021 10:55

Very well put, beowulfa

Thevenerableswede · 14/07/2021 10:53

Yes Beowulfa I have just asked a question in AIBU to see what women think.

Beowulfa · 14/07/2021 10:46

By moving this thread, MNHQ are implying it's some sort of esoteric discussion about the finer points of feminism, maybe with some long words from sociology and suchlike.

This is a parenting site, and this topic is about child safeguarding. Specifically, about how an elected government has deliberately failed a six year old.

Ask yourself who benefits when discussions about child safety are quietly moved by anonymous demand. Ask what your child's school is teaching. Ask about safeguarding policy at every opportunity. Ask awkward questions. Be difficult. The vulnerable are failed when we do not question everything.

Ooodlesofboodles · 14/07/2021 10:45

That there is a man.

RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 14/07/2021 10:38

@Sophoclesthefox

There is too often on this site an attitude that labels all trans people as sex offenders

No, there really isn’t. The entire point is people like Ruby here. The entire point is that there are dangerous, violent men hiding behind a trans identity. The entire point is that an ideology that says that “being a woman” can be a feeling in a man’s head was a being used/abused to dilute protections that women and children have to keep the Rubys of this world out of places where we’re vulnerable.

I’m sure your clients were lovely, but Ruby obviously isn’t. It makes me sad that this abused child is being gaslit like this.

This

A lot of posters aren’t concerned with transwomen and their everyday lives

This may change for some posters when sports, awards and refuges come up or reporting of crimes

And it definitely changes for me with self ID and men like the above

GreatBigBird · 14/07/2021 10:35

@DialSquare

Seeing as the article doesn't mention Trans anywhere, it would appear that the Reporters of this thread CAN actually tell the difference between men and women.
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Thelnebriati · 14/07/2021 10:30

YeahItsMeAgain Depression is a normal response to abuse when you are in a position of helplessness.
Focus on your self care right now, and take a step back. Flowers

YeahItsMeAgain · 14/07/2021 10:24

This is all getting too much. Honestly. My days are dragged down by this - I’m genuinely feeling totally hopeless. What are other people’s coping mechanisms for all this? I’ve tried ignoring it all but it’s so wrong - I can’t. I feel so backed into a corner. And powerless. And... words fail me now.

Sorry but I haven’t even got the energy to be angry about it anymore. I’ve got an appointment with my GP. Hoping they can give me something to help me walk through my life being content to keep my mouth shut about all this.

Maybe I shouldn’t have posted here though. Probably belongs on the Mental Health board? Apologies if I’ve offended anyone.

Sophoclesthefox · 14/07/2021 10:23

There is too often on this site an attitude that labels all trans people as sex offenders

No, there really isn’t. The entire point is people like Ruby here. The entire point is that there are dangerous, violent men hiding behind a trans identity. The entire point is that an ideology that says that “being a woman” can be a feeling in a man’s head was a being used/abused to dilute protections that women and children have to keep the Rubys of this world out of places where we’re vulnerable.

I’m sure your clients were lovely, but Ruby obviously isn’t. It makes me sad that this abused child is being gaslit like this.

EsmaCannonball · 14/07/2021 10:22

This is where pronoun politeness gets us. When I saw that picture I thought (again) that organisations are absolutely terrified of being accused of transphobia but completely unconcerned about being accused of sexism. Sexism is so endemic it's just background noise. Demonizing a group on the bottom of a hierarchy (women) as criminals is a classic tactic of oppression. I'm beginning to think it's going to take women rioting or becoming terrorists to get them to take us seriously, but then again we end up court for suffragette ribbons, so perhaps not.

Iggi999 · 14/07/2021 10:20

It is statistically SO unlikely to be a woman who carried out this crime that the balance of probability is always going to be that it's a man.
Whoever just wrote "lol" on a thread about an assaulted 6 year old child can shove it up their ass.

chickenyhead · 14/07/2021 10:20

@Collaborate

I am often saddened by the anti-trans posts on this site. I have had two clients (I am a family law solicitor) who are trans - one of each - and both have been very genuine and lovely people. There is too often on this site an attitude that labels all trans people as sex offenders.

What has happened in the case of Ruby Eby doesn't help. It is wrong. Eby seems to be a man. He has stubble, the facial structure of a man, and presumably a functioning penis. He is making no effort to look like a woman. Some women can also look manly, but they have a vagina, so looking like a woman is not the be all and end all of being accepted as a woman. Neither is, I think, having a natural vagina.

My trans female to male client had a vagina. He also had a beard, a deep voice, and no breasts. He was genuine.

The problem is with people who try and manipulate the system. There ought to be a better way.

I understand the frustration.

Most people here wouldn't deny that genuine transgender people exist.

It is simply that you cannot differentiate between the genuine and the opportunists.

Third safe spaces, which do not put either vulnerable group at risk would be the ideal solution.

Whatwouldscullydo · 14/07/2021 10:19

The problem is with people who try and manipulate the system. There ought to be a better way

There is.

Record the sex. Its sexed bodies doing the physical.assulting after all

Looneytune253 · 14/07/2021 10:18

What if the reporter is very GC and it's a woman living as a man? Lol. You would have what you want and you wouldn't even know it. Devils advocate

drspouse · 14/07/2021 10:16

@BSJohnson

I’ve just used the ‘report error’ button to point out the error they seem to have made imho.
Great idea, me too.