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Is this a man or a woman?

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GreatBigBird · 13/07/2021 23:21

YABU: woman

YANBU: man

www.cp24.com/news/woman-charged-after-allegedly-sexually-assaulting-boy-6-in-toronto-park-1.5507641

I can’t even begin to express myself.

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Flippin · 14/07/2021 02:07

This is a male. No question about it. Fucksake, when will this madness stop??

RainbowMum11 · 14/07/2021 02:02

Does it really matter - a child was assaulted and that isn't ok irrespective of the perpetrator

Furries · 14/07/2021 01:52

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DumplingsAndStew · 14/07/2021 01:36

@chickenyhead

There are currently, according to HMPO approximately 1,300 male sexed transwomen in male prisons. I'm sure they'd like to move to one of the 3,400 female spaces.

Maybe if we release the 1,100 women currently behind bars for council tax evasion, we could have 1 male sexed to 2 female sexed inmates in female prisons.

Google Karen White for the risks posed to women.

Do we have figures for how many of those 1300 male bodied prisoners in women's prisons are there for or have a history of sexual offences?
Furries · 14/07/2021 01:27

@XDownwiththissortofthingX

Honestly can't answer YABU/YANBU because the question is insufficient.

Certainly facially looks like a man, quite possibly is a natal man, but is possibly legally a woman under Canadian law, so if that is the case then a Canadian article is technically correct in reporting the offender as a woman.

Are you simply asking what people suspect is the birth sex of the person in the article?

If that's the case then I don't think there's any doubt. Would be a pretty unfortunate natal woman who looked that masculine.

I don’t even know where to begin with that post.

Yes, I think we’re probably aware that - under Canadian law - they are “correct” in their reporting. And that is basically the whole problem.

So I don’t think the AIBU question is difficult to answer at all.

MotionActivatedDog · 14/07/2021 01:25

Well it can, legally, in Canada, hence why I can't honestly answer YABU/YANBU without the OP expanding the question.

We’re not in Canada. We’re not in court. You’re being asked the sex of the person.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 14/07/2021 01:21

Birth sex? It’s just sex. It’s doesn’t change after birth

Well it can, legally, in Canada, hence why I can't honestly answer YABU/YANBU without the OP expanding the question.

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MotionActivatedDog · 14/07/2021 01:16

Are you simply asking what people suspect is the birth sex of the person in the article?

Birth sex? It’s just sex. It’s doesn’t change after birth.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 14/07/2021 01:13

Honestly can't answer YABU/YANBU because the question is insufficient.

Certainly facially looks like a man, quite possibly is a natal man, but is possibly legally a woman under Canadian law, so if that is the case then a Canadian article is technically correct in reporting the offender as a woman.

Are you simply asking what people suspect is the birth sex of the person in the article?

If that's the case then I don't think there's any doubt. Would be a pretty unfortunate natal woman who looked that masculine.

TalkingtoLangClegintheDark · 14/07/2021 01:01

As a disclaimer to my rant re Canada, I am well aware we have many of the same problems here. The UK media frequently report crimes as having been carried out by “women” who are clearly male. Including sexual offences.

They are apparently obliged to do so by some press guidelines which were lobbied for by trans rights activists. Along with the police and courts recording their crimes as being committed by “women”, and obliging witnesses and even the victims of their crimes to refer to them using female pronouns.

And we have seen male sexual offenders housed in women’s prisons too here. Not just the infamous “Karen White”, but also males who hold a GRC making them legally female are automatically held in the female estate. Even if they have been convicted of serious sexual offences.

It’s bad here. It’s worse there, with the self ID free for all.

These are dreadful, dangerous, irrational laws that should never have been passed.

Democracy is up the shitter.

TalkingtoLangClegintheDark · 14/07/2021 00:51

@Nonmaquillee

Not only a poor attempt to gaslight the Canadian public, but also - crucially - to do the same with the poor little boy. Imagine: the boy tells police he was assaulted by a man. The perpetrator is found and identified. Police etc insist it was a female perpetrator. The poor little victim KNOWS it was a male. Everyone around him including the media collude in this. The little boy is NOT ONLY ASSAULTED but also LIED TO. I’m beyond appalled.
Yes, absolutely. This is compounding that child’s abuse. Reabusing him.

Unforgiveable.

TalkingtoLangClegintheDark · 14/07/2021 00:50

I had never before this experienced the phenomenon of societal cognitive dissonance on a mass scale.

That people can think it is forward thinking, progressive, desirable, justifiable, morally right to lock up dangerous, violent, sexually predatory males - men - with some of society’s most vulnerable women, and sometimes their children too.

For the avoidance of doubt, I am of course not saying that all biologically male trans prisoners, or trans people in general, are violent or predatory. Though I think women’s comfort and dignity matters as well as their safety, and for that reason no biologically male prisoners should be housed in the female estate, no matter how harmless.

But the sheer immorality of placing males who are KNOWN to be violent and predatory, who have committed heinous crimes against women and children, in the female estate if they say they are women is just so monstrous and against everything a just and progressive society should stand for it actually makes my head explode.

I mean even if a society just wants to be half way decent and sane you would think this should be obvious. And yet these batshit places like Canada and parts of the USA want you to think they are beacons of social justice and a model for the rest of the world to aspire to, while perpetrating this vicious, hideously misogynistic attack on women’s rights, women’s dignity, women’s integrity and safety; while shitting on vulnerable women from the greatest height they can manage.

(Remember it was in Canada that a human rights org supported predator J Yaniv in Yaniv’s persecution of low income immigrant women who didn’t want to be forced to touch Yaniv’s male genitalia.

There are plenty of salons in the area where Yaniv lives that offer waxing of the genital area to biologically male people, but Yaniv didn’t want to use them and instead went out of Yaniv’s way to try to make lone women working out of their own homes perform this service for Yaniv.

And when they refused, Yaniv brought a law suit against 18 of them, all the ones Yaniv had sought out to persecute. And a human rights organisation supported him.)

Canada has this image of being a great place to live, really hot on human rights, women’s rights, fairness and equality etc etc.

It’s bullshit. It’s turning into a dystopian hell hole, and is a model only of what to avoid these days.

Furries · 14/07/2021 00:49

@Timeforanewnamemethinks

Pressed the wrong button, yes that is a man. YANBU
I’ve not used voting very often, but am sure I’ve seen posters on other threads say that you can go back and revote correctly. I may be wrong, hopefully someone else can advise.
olidora63 · 14/07/2021 00:46

@DismantledKing

I notice that the (currently) 6% who believe that this is a woman don’t have the bottle to come on here and argue their point.
I did …looked at the shoulders…am so tired so didn’t look at the pic properly and agree I was wrong 😑
Furries · 14/07/2021 00:40

This is beyond nuts. That photo is definitely of a biological male. And this is the picture of what the problem is.

This picture is a perfect example of what the trans community will face. The trans community will likely face backlash over this, and more incidents of a similar nature.

When the actual problem is bloody men. Men who have been, are and will use the trans umbrella to abuse the use of self-id. THIS is the problem that lots of women are pushing back on - not to discriminate against the trans community. To push back on MEN who will abuse the rights of that community.

That poor kid - can’t even put into words how on Earth they are supposed to process and deal with the fact that they will know what situation took place, yet it will be phrased - in legal terms - in the completely opposite way.

And as someone else said upthread, the impact on records for crime data is going to start to become really skewed.

Throckmorton · 14/07/2021 00:39

Fucking appalling and a safeguarding fail - police need to describe people accurately, especially in sexual predator cases such as this where people need to know its a man involved not a woman

EverythingWillFallInLine · 14/07/2021 00:39

That is a man who identifies as a rapist paedophile.

JacquelineCarlyle · 14/07/2021 00:30

YANBU - that poor poor boy and that bastard deserves to rot.

IfNot · 14/07/2021 00:29

So some publications are not using the word ‘woman’ in articles about birth and women's health, and instead refer to ‘people’ or parts of anatomy, but are use ‘woman’ to describe a biologically male perpetrator of sex crime!

"Woman" is a dirty word except when describing a male sex offender.
If you had told me 10 years ago this is where we would be I wouldn't have believed you. One day many people are going to be very ashamed of themselves. And I for one will not forgive and forget.

DismantledKing · 14/07/2021 00:29

I notice that the (currently) 6% who believe that this is a woman don’t have the bottle to come on here and argue their point.

Nonmaquillee · 14/07/2021 00:28

Not only a poor attempt to gaslight the Canadian public, but also - crucially - to do the same with the poor little boy.
Imagine: the boy tells police he was assaulted by a man. The perpetrator is found and identified. Police etc insist it was a female perpetrator. The poor little victim KNOWS it was a male. Everyone around him including the media collude in this.
The little boy is NOT ONLY ASSAULTED but also LIED TO.
I’m beyond appalled.

TalkingtoLangClegintheDark · 14/07/2021 00:22

It is monstrous.

TalkingtoLangClegintheDark · 14/07/2021 00:22

Re the women’s prison question, bear in mind that many women’s prisons have mother and baby/child units. How happy this paedophile predator would be to find himself alongside one of those.

Some chilling testimony here from Canadian women who’ve found themselves in exactly that situation, from the Canada section of the Keep Prisons Single Sex website:

www.keep-prisons-single-sex.org.uk/canadian-women-speak-out