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How is it "gender critical" to impose rigid binary social categories based on sex?

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CuriousPanda · 13/07/2021 21:07

For most of history, the whole point of feminism was to oppse sex-based segregation and restrictions that were imposed by patriarchal society.

So I don't see how supporting strict gender categories, and simply calling them "sex-based" instead, in any way leans itself to "gender abolition".

One might get impression that "gender" is simply being used to mean trans people existing, and "gender abolition" simply means restricting trans people from being able to transition and use different gender labels. And basically nothing else.

With "sex-based rules and restrictions" being basically just gender roles but trans-proofed.

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queenmeadhbh · 14/07/2021 23:20

So @CuriousPanda you want “woman” to refer to…what social category? Adult humans who have long hair? Who wear high heels? Lipstick? I don’t get it.

I want “woman” to refer to “adult female human”. What word do I have to refer to myself if you’re taking “woman” away from me?

NiceGerbil · 14/07/2021 23:20

Now 'female people' in scare quotes!

RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 14/07/2021 23:20

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PurpleHoodie · 14/07/2021 23:20

Keep that up, you plum.

People are watching. Reading. And disseminating.

BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 14/07/2021 23:20

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Wildgarlicpesto · 14/07/2021 23:18

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BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 14/07/2021 23:17

do you know how babies are made OP ?

I feel we may need to cover the basics

midgemagneto · 14/07/2021 23:17

No the law refers to the meanings of the words that were unambiguous when written

Get over it
The world and its dog knows woman from man

Gumbomambo · 14/07/2021 23:16

I’m furious tonight. This person doesn’t care. These are real people and the ones who destroy them are men. We have safe spaces for everyone, we are lucky enough to have spaces we can segregate. Guess what? 99% of the people in our spaces are Born women.

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CuriousPanda · 14/07/2021 23:16

@PurpleHoodie
For thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of years funnily enough.

We're also had patriarchy for thousands of years, does that mean it should stand unchallenged?

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PurpleHoodie · 14/07/2021 23:16

Billions of people. Billions.

And yet. It has never caught on as a religion.

This one affects men also you see.

PurpleHoodie · 14/07/2021 23:14

GC people have shown themselves time and time again to be completely unwilling to cede "woman" and "man" to refer to social categories.

For thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of years funnily enough.

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CuriousPanda · 14/07/2021 23:14

@midgemagneto
Law is currently written with the implicit assumption that the word refers to sex
So it's a lot cheaper to keep it as it is

Actually, it doesn't. The law refers to the identities of woman and man to be part of gender rather than sex.

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RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 14/07/2021 23:14

Im so sorry gum

It must be incredibly hard, honestly as a society we are very lucky to have people like you

Gumbomambo · 14/07/2021 23:13

I’m GC. What do you think I do with a trans person that lands on my doorstep?

midgemagneto · 14/07/2021 23:13

You want woman to be social

We want it to be sex

Because
Law is currently written with the implicit assumption that the word refers to sex

So it's a lot cheaper to keep it as it is

If however the word woman is so important to you, please describe the actions you intend to take to ensure the meaning of current law is not changed

Please also say what word we can use to capture the current sex based meaning. Eg what word should replace woman in current law, on toilet doors etc

SD1978 · 14/07/2021 23:12

I have no issue with pronouns, you can have any you want I will always try to use them- I object to the introductions of those who choose to change pronouns, into spaces which should be safe for those whose sex is female.

PurpleHoodie · 14/07/2021 23:11

Men and women across all colour, socio-economic, religious, ethnic, sexual-orientation spectrums said "No".

Whahhhh.

chickenyhead · 14/07/2021 23:11

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Gumbomambo · 14/07/2021 23:11

Rufus I’m doing my job and it is fucking awful. I’ve seen the worst thing today you can ever imagine. A fucking 5year old and I’m sick to. Death of this hypothetical crap. Stand up for the vulnerable you seem to give a shit about. Maybe I could tell a story about the trans woman I had to sit and talk to a couple of weeks ago? I could but I won’t. I have to support women every fucking day. Women who have been smashed to shit by men. Every fucking day.

BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 14/07/2021 23:11

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RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 14/07/2021 23:10

Wowser

Not quoting pandas last post as I’ll get deleted

But 😳

chickenyhead · 14/07/2021 23:10

You should be ashamed of yourself. Not knowing what agender means and denying my right to identify as it.

DickKerrLadies · 14/07/2021 23:10

Or is your definition of non-binary 'people who call themselves non-binary'?

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