Is being trans a choice?

Male is a sex not a gender.

CuriousPanda wants men to be allowed to use female pronouns. I’m guessing they didn’t read (or understand) the Pronouns are Rohypnol piece fairplayforwomen.com/pronouns/

If it's a women by sex bathroom and they are transwomen it is harmful.

For people who go on and on about how you wish to "get rid of gender stereotypes", you simply can't rid yourselves of the stereotype that "males" are inherently sexual predators by default.

Guess what, for as long as you cling to that stereotype, you are not "abolishing stereotypes".

Call the police

Are you going to answer my questions.

Any man can come in so if they want to harm a transwoman they can do that just as easily.

Plus putting all the female people at increased risk.

No win there.

[quote CuriousPanda]@IsItAKindofDream
You are the one denying their lived reality. That makes you a transphobe.

What?

You've been trying over and over to pull off a "no, you're the transphobe!" stunt, and not a single time did it make sense.[/quote]
It won’t make sense to you, unless you stop and think about what you are saying.

There was a great post on Mumsnet saying woman is not a “psyche” that men can claim to have. I can’t find the thread, but you probably read it - based on a twitter posting by Vulvamort.

Men are culturally appropriating women’s lived experiences.

The same way Rachel Dolezal culturally appropriated the lived experience of black people.

Ah the old you'll be raped anyway answer.

In the old days we could get a bouncer, tell security. Challenge them.

Now we have to assume they are fine. But it's ok, we can report them after they have hurt someone.

Awesome.

But if males will go to "great lengths" doesn't it mean they don't even need self ID, and will simply barge into these places even without self ID in place?

It's not as though they'll just go "oop, no self ID, no way to access this place"

It sounds to me like your solution will simply harm innocent trans women for no real benefit of anyone.

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@NiceGerbil
Tell me you're aok with eg vagina owners subject to rape as a weapon of war. If you aren't why not.

What the hell would I be...? What kind of insane question is that?'

That's not an answer.

How would you word that headline?

Ah no.

I asked you a fair and important question.

Which you have not answered and instead tried to deflect.

@NiceGerbil
Tell me about the activism to help trans people in countries like Afghanistan.

Tell me about your activism to help women in countries like Afghanistan.

Because it seems to me like your "feminist activism" is just using anything you can as ammo to attack trans people with, and absolutely nothing else.

@NiceGerbil
Tell me you're aok with eg vagina owners subject to rape as a weapon of war. If you aren't why not.

What the hell would I be...? What kind of insane question is that?

If lived experience is important than why are you denying the lived experience of female people when they say. Males are a group present a risk. And male sex offenders will go to great lengths to access places where women and girls are vulnerable and WILL exploit self id

...?

@IsItAKindofDream
You are the one denying their lived reality. That makes you a transphobe.

What?

You've been trying over and over to pull off a "no, you're the transphobe!" stunt, and not a single time did it make sense.

[quote CuriousPanda]@IsItAKindofDream
But, you are right, 85% or more of transwomen are autogynephiles - having a sexual fetish about seeing themselves as women.

And for as long as you argue this, you are simply enforcing rigid gender roles and attempting to push trans women back into the closet.

Most retain their penis.

And?[/quote]
So, if we say what many transwomen actually say about themselves - we are pushing them back into the closet? You are the one denying their lived reality. That makes you a transphobe.

The “most retain their penis” was for the lurkers, who think transwoman means a man who has had his removed. That will influence what is in their mind when they answer the question about the 9-year old niece in the toilet - that you haven’t answered yet.

'Trans people would be significantly more receptive to using "male" and "female" to denote biology (although it's still a bit more complex than that) if you weren't so insistent on making the social labels and identities of "man" and "women" contingent on being "male" or "female".

But since "woman = adult human female" became a rallying cry for your movement, any such compromise has since become an impossibility.'

Oh come on.

That's s reaction to the word woman being redefined.

You started it is not a convincing argument tbh.

Tell me about the activism to help trans people in countries like Afghanistan.

Tell me you're aok with eg vagina owners subject to rape as a weapon of war. If you aren't why not.

Whatever.

Dilusions of equivalence.

@Chickenyhead
A post puberty trans woman has absolutely no idea how it feels to be a woman in a society filled with violence committed by much stronger penis havers. None.

That's simply not true.

Women by sex should not be forced to share safe spaces with people who have a penis.

EVER

It is male entitlement. We see it.

@IsItAKindofDream
But, you are right, 85% or more of transwomen are autogynephiles - having a sexual fetish about seeing themselves as women.

And for as long as you argue this, you are simply enforcing rigid gender roles and attempting to push trans women back into the closet.

Most retain their penis.

And?

Well that makes no sense.

Transwomen are Transwomen.

Women by sex are women by sex.

There is no overlap.

Separate protected characteristics.

A post puberty Transwomen has absolutely no idea how it feels to be a woman in a society filled with violence committed by much stronger penis havers. None.

But since "woman = adult human female" became a rallying cry for your movement, any such compromise has since become an impossibility.

[quote CuriousPanda]@IsItAKindofDream
Men need to push back against being stereotypically “masculine” - while staying as “men”.

Why? Why do people have to conform to the labels you want to impose on them? Why does anyone have to "stay as men" when they don't want to?

And men and women need to support them in that.

Well, you're not exactly supporting anyone when you're calling them "fetishists".[/quote]
“Man” is not a label imposed on someone. It is a biological description.
If you can’t see that, I really can’t help you.

But, you are right, 85% or more of transwomen are autogynephiles - having a sexual fetish about seeing themselves as women. Many transwomen publicly talk about this. E.g. The artist and TV personality, Grayson Perry. Most retain their penis.