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Colin Pitchfork will be released

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AssassinatedBeauty · 13/07/2021 12:11

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-57737050

It seems that gaining a degree and learning how to transcribe braille is sufficient to persuade a parole board that you are no longer a danger to women and girls. He is only 61, he could have many years of offending left before him.

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JurgensCakeBaby · 22/11/2021 23:16

Here you go, first link on this page gives you all possible licence conditions www.gov.uk/government/publications/licence-conditions-policy-framework

JurgensCakeBaby · 22/11/2021 23:14

Murderers aren't usually subject to seven, there are seven standard conditions that everyone released on licence is subject to, includes being of good behaviour, not committing further offences, maintaining contact with your probation officer, residing at an approved address etc. Most high risk cases come out with more than a standard seven, but I've never ever known that many. I'll see if I can find the most up to date guidance so people can have a look through the conditions that can be added.

TitsInAbsentia · 22/11/2021 16:28

From the beeb website:

"Pitchfork was subject to an unusually high number of licence conditions. The MoJ said there were more than 40 - including exclusion zones, curfews and polygraph testing - while murderers are usually only subject to about seven.
Pitchfork's case must now be referred to the Parole Board within 28 days.

There will likely be a parole hearing due to the seriousness of the case, rather than considering the circumstances of the recall "on paper", meaning by solely reviewing documents.

The hearing will determine whether Pitchfork should stay in a closed prison, be transferred to an open prison or be released."

Surely no-one in their right mind would consider release, or even open prison for that matter?

DaisyNGO · 22/11/2021 16:20

Jurgen that's interesting. I was baffled by the release at the time.

I am not an expert but I can't think of anywhere near 42 conditions!

JurgensCakeBaby · 21/11/2021 23:33

I used to be a probation officer, he had FORTY TWO licence conditions, I managed some really high risk people and I've never known that many in my life. It's actually more of a surprise he's not been recalled before than that it's happened now with that many restrictions, not that I disagree with them. It indicates that the probation officer and SPO may not have recommended release but the parole board went ahead anyway, it happens more than you'd expect.

Tailendofsummer · 21/11/2021 23:28

Daily mail (and others) are reporting the following: Pitchfork was freed from jail in September and was living at a bail hostel. But he was dramatically arrested on Friday for sidling up to young women – in their later teens and early 20s – on 'multiple' occasions while on daily walks from his hostel.

AssassinatedBeauty · 20/11/2021 09:37

When first hearing this my initial thought was that he had committed a criminal offence. I was partially relieved that the recall was for breaking his release terms/conditions and not for criminal activity. Of course it doesn't 100% mean that he hasn't committed a criminal offence, rather that he hasn't been caught. But hopefully this was a preemptive move.

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Bordois · 20/11/2021 09:32

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On the plus side, it shows that - on this occasion - the process works. Thank god he's back in again
As far as we know...
Rhannion · 20/11/2021 01:56

Please can they throw away the key this time?

FliptheThread · 20/11/2021 01:56

Has he been allowed internet access? - because I would not be surprised if online activities are involved in this.

PandaP0p · 20/11/2021 01:47

On the plus side, it shows that - on this occasion - the process works. Thank god he's back in again

MsInsomniac · 20/11/2021 01:36

It will need to be something that shows his risk can no longer be managed in the community. So, anything offence related, hanging round areas where teen girls are for eg, not complying with other licence conditions if that means risk is raised - e.g not disclosing a relationship, loosing his housing placement through some error on his part, anti social behaviour, drugs. It’s likely he is wearing a gps tag so I’d bet on movements somewhere which raises concern.

Walkingtheplank · 20/11/2021 01:23

It may be as simple as missing a probation appointment, being late for curfew or daily sign in. His probation officer will be being exceedingly strict with minimal discretion permitted.

Tailendofsummer · 20/11/2021 01:04

I wonder what he did, that has been picked up by the probation service. I mean they are not with him all the time, if he's been hanging around places teenage girls go, for example, you'd hardly think the probation service would know. Unless he is tagged, he might be.

Acquacup · 19/11/2021 23:44

Apparently he was a convicted flasher. A lot of these killers turn out to have been flashers first. Pitchfork's attempt to get out of prison after 20 years of his 30 year sentence: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1169119/Work-art-monstrous-cynicism-Convicted-paedophile-creates-extraordinary-paper-sculpture-bid-win-freedom.html

wavingwhilstdrowning · 19/11/2021 23:18

What a fucking surprise eh? Well thank fuck he's locked up again

TwoLeftSocksWithHoles · 19/11/2021 19:35

Perhaps if a prisonor is recalled all the members of the Parole Board who released them should have to go with the prisoner to prison, until he is released again, and the same would apply to the next Parole Board who may release them.
Maybe it would focus them a bit more... Hmm

yourhairiswinterfire · 19/11/2021 18:35

He's been arrested and recalled to prison.

A Probation Service spokesperson said: "Protecting the public is our number one priority."

They added: "When offenders breach the conditions of their release and potentially pose an increased risk, we don't hesitate to return them to custody."

The PA News agency said it was understood that Pitchfork was not recalled for committing any further offences but because probation staff identified "concerning behaviours" and the step was taken as a preventative measure.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-59354638

ArabellaScott · 17/07/2021 16:08

will be subject to close probation supervision for life

What does this actually entail, does anyone know? Presumably he will be given a new name/identity?

Lockheart · 17/07/2021 15:15

@ArabellaStrange

Can we not protest this? Is there no way we as members of the public with teenage girls can fight on behalf of those poor lasses who lost their lives in a horrific manner. I don't believe our legal system is dispensing justice. I think they pay lip service to the idea and that is not in any way good enough.
You can protest whatever you like, of course, but I can't see that there's any recourse to keep him in prison. Moral outrage is not a factor taken into consideration.

He was given the maximum tarrif he could have been given at the time.

If he was sentenced now he probably would get a whole life order, however he was sentenced over 30 years ago and we cannot apply the law retroactively.

He has the right to apply for parole.

The parole boards original decision (in March this year) was further scrutinised as a judicial review was brought on the grounds of irrationality by an independent QC.

That judicial review failed a few days ago as no evidence of irrationality in the boards decision was found, hence the re-emergence in the news. In other words, there is very little to suggest that the parole board has got it wrong, unless someone else wanted to bring a JR on the grounds of illegality or procedural impropriety (I believe the latter is what the original Worboys parole decision was quashed for).

As far as I can tell everything has been done properly in this case, and whilst we may not agree with him being released I don't think there is any leg to stand on in terms of the law. We don't have access to the same level of information the parole board had.

So yes, protest away, but in order to have any effect I think you'll need a lot more than "we don't agree".

ArabellaStrange · 17/07/2021 11:41

Can we not protest this? Is there no way we as members of the public with teenage girls can fight on behalf of those poor lasses who lost their lives in a horrific manner.
I don't believe our legal system is dispensing justice. I think they pay lip service to the idea and that is not in any way good enough.

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Starryskiesinthesky · 17/07/2021 08:45

As part of his prison release there will have been risk assessments and risk management plans will be in place. There will also be regular multi agency risk management meetings which all aim to protect the public and they are usually successful. You just hear about the occasional times they are not, not all the successes.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 17/07/2021 08:35

I think not calling for violence is a reasonable blanket rule for a website to have.
It doesn’t need to reflect anyone’s judgement on what Colin Pitchfork deserves…