Does anyone ever wonder how this will end?

@BlueBerrySnek are you incapable of explaining and defending your own thought processes without having to resort to telling people to watch YouTube videos by people with names like "Jammidodger"??

You "educate" people by making reasoned arguments and providing evidence to back up any specific claims. Then you listen to people's responses to that, questioning any weaknesses or illogical reasoning, and then respond with further clarifications or thoughts to counter. And so on until an understanding of each other's viewpoints is reached.

Nah.

At some point I do hope all of you see the absurdity of your opinions but I just want to clarify that I am not in any way trying to force my viewpoints on to you, I am simply trying to explain why you may be wrong and why I believe what I do. Of course you don't have to believe anything I say my intention was not to make you angry it was to educate you. Before I leave I'd like to refer you to a channel on youtube called "Jammidodger" I think he may be able to explain to you better why people believe what they do.

@dyslek agreed, the three main surveys mentioned in the link I posted above have significant issues with their methodology, have low numbers of respondents and those respondents self selected.

What that was meant to say was 'benefits of transition may be lower and therefore likelihood of regret may be higher'.

The numbers who transition have gone up by around 4000%. This means that many who previously would not have transitioned are now doing so. The benefits of transition and likelihood of regret may be higher for that cohort. We can't know yet how the figures will work out.

www.transgendertrend.com/the-suicide-myth/

I'm aware that this could be seen as a biased source by TRA's so thought I would highlight the conclusion (below) which talks about how there is a need for caution when repeating suicide statistics, as advised by the Samaritans -

'In conclusion, although the statistics for suicide attempts have been exaggerated, this is a psychologically highly vulnerable population. A young person with mental health problems needs psychotherapeutic support and a young person who is feeling suicidal needs urgent psychiatric care. Much more research is needed into different care pathways for young people with gender dysphoria.

In this clinical area it is especially important to understand the possible underlying causative factors in suicidal ideation and provide appropriate therapeutic treatment, as the alternative (puberty blockers) carries a risk of exacerbating depressive symptoms. Depression is listed as a common or very common adverse effect for the drug Triptorelin (the form of blocker used by the Tavistock).30

Every suicide is a terrible tragedy and we must be extremely careful in any message we send to young people on this subject. The Samaritans guidance31states that we should avoid speculation about any one ‘trigger’ for suicide and that we need to exercise caution in repeating suicide statistics. Transgender Trend would like to see this advice followed more carefully in the case of young people struggling with gender identity issues.'

You haven't provided a source! You've made a claim with no evidence and then demanded others find out for themselves. We have, and we refute your claim. Now, what could you do now to demonstrate that we are wrong? Well, provide your original source and show us how thorough and reliable the data is, of course.

And what sources are you using to discredit my source?

I made two points, @BlueBerrySnek. One is that using the threat of suicide is no way to win anyone over, in a debate or in real life. The second point I made is that it isn't true, I have "searched it up" and it is based on a flawed and unreliable source. You have made the claim, it's up to you to demonstrate that you aren't lying, exaggerating or relying on flawed data.

The point about your grammar was a simple dig that I couldn't resist, my apologies.

You all are literally doing the exact same thing you claim me to be doing

@TalkingtoLangClegintheDark
I'd like your sources then

Yes.

If people are attempting suicide because other people don’t see them in the way they wish to be seen, because they are not what they wish to be seen as, then they need serious psychological intervention.

@AssassinatedBeauty
The fact that the only thing you can find in my post to discredit is a grammar issue, tells me that I won the argument. If my source is unreliable then please by all means give me a source that says that trans people do not have that high of a suicide rate

We don’t trust your “info” BlueBerrySnek and we have searched it up, and found it to be bullshit.

And it has been explained time and time again exactly how “accepting” biologically male trans people as women does affect us and impact us very negatively, but you obviously haven’t bothered to engage with those arguments because you’re still coming out with that fallacious guff that it doesn’t, so there’s no point in repeating them ad infinitum.

This isn’t one of those platforms where you can just come on and spout any old bollocks you like without any real evidence to back up your assertions. We expect real substance here, not baseless claims and heavily massaged “statistics”.

The women here have looked at this issue from every conceivable angle and we have found your narrative and your reliability to be very seriously wanting. Sorry. Not impressed.

'If you don't trust my info you can search it up yourself.'

If you make a claim, then the onus is on you to provide the evidence. We're aware that the mantras have morphed from 'no debate' to 'no evidence' but that doesn't fly here.

@BlueBerrySnek "affect" not "effect" in all three of your uses.

The threat of suicide is not a good way to try to win an argument. Especially when that supposed "over 40%" figure comes from a thoroughly flawed and unreliable source.

@NonnyMouse1337
Besides the fact that the liklehood for detransition is extremely low, Accepting trans people does not effect detransitioners at all. Nor does it effect you, the only people it effects are trans people. For trans people just simply accepting someones pronouns could be the difference between life and death. What I mean by this is that the percentage of trans people that attempt suicide is over 40%. If you don't trust my info you can search it up yourself.

"Given the existence of detransitioners, that's highly unlikely." @NonnyMouse1337 The percentage of detransitioners is less than 1%

highame

I've been mulling this over for a while, well not exactly this but near enough.

My view is dystopian based on the fact that all this trash is tied up with US tech companies. Everything is being politicised to the detriment of some groups such as women. These companies have so much cash that in the future they will bankroll all of those who agree with them

This guy agrees with you:

Francis Aaron.