Does anyone ever wonder how this will end?

Wow, such an eloquent post.
How could you fail to convince anyone of your point of view.
A really well rounded and informative comment, well done you

Coming from you, soulman, that means so much

So everything globally should be mixed sex.

Well ok.

In some countries there are VERY strict rules about sex segregation. I imagine you'll want to tackle those first. Where are you going to start?

In short.

Globally men are not any kind of particular brisk to women, if only women would stop thinking like victims (or something).

Rape is not in any way a bigger deal, risk of pregnancy is irrelevant.

'"Women are physically weaker, any ordinary male can easily beat an extraordinary woman"
"Women are defined by their capacity to give birth"
"It is essential that our society remains segregated by sex."

You believe in things that feminists have historically fought against. Do you really think it's a coincidence your views on trans issues are largely backed by anti-feminist social conservatives?'

Sooooo

When women are sexually attacked by men they could fight them off if only they tried harder.
The reason they don't is because women have lied to them and made them believe they in general are not as big or strong as men and so those women are responsible ultimately for all the male on female sexual violence in the world... Ever? Must be otherwise makes no sense.

Rape is used as a weapon of war. Rape can result in pregnancy which is hardly trivial. Where abortion is not available, girls pregnant from incest have to give birth which can be very damaging to their bodies.

Well those views seem fine to me...

It's all just arrogance and bluster and fake news. It passes for an argument on Twitter, but not here, where you have to elaborate on your comments.

A really well rounded and informative comment, well done you

Yes, I thought so too!

A really well rounded and informative comment, well done you

Yes, I thought so too!

I remember being very disturbed when I was just peaking and came across pictures of Stefonknee Wolscht. It was totally different from the trans movement that had been portrayed to me before. I think the Hubbard Olympic affair (in early August) will lead to similar moments for a lot of previous allies to the movement: more left liberals (influential writers, journalists, comedians, etc.) will be led to consider GC beliefs as they realise what the opposite really looks like.

In addition: I think a lot of previous staunchly pro-trans Gen Z-ers take pride in having surprising, edgy views, so I'm holding out hope for a new wave of GC radfems on Tiktok - there's already a big community of young radfems on Tumblr, but it's hard to find new converts as usership of the website has dropped a lot in the past few years.

Previously, the trans lobby and their adjacents have been very successful at minimising the struggles of gay men and older women, insulting 'cis white gays' and 'Karens'. If this actually gets extended to transgenderism itself (think social media rants from even woker beings about 'privileged white trans people'), then perhaps trans/nonbinary will become less of a cool thing to be.

Basically I'm optimistic about the next five years (have been GC for five already, I think this is a good number in which to measure change). I think the social-contagion aspect will have cooled down a lot, with youth referrals slowing down, by 2026, meaning less young girls transition. At that point the main visible transitioners will be male AGPs, and there'll be more Keira Bell-esque news stories, neither of which are good representation for the movement at all.

Sigh.

Women are physically weaker, any ordinary male can easily beat an extraordinary woman"

Yes to the first statement. It’s an inconvenient fact but nevertheless true. Not exactly to the second statement, but certainly a well trained teenage boy can beat an extraordinary woman. boysvswomen.com/#/

"Women are defined by their capacity to give birth"
No, women are the only sex that gives birth which makes demands on their body and time which males do not face, and therefore mother’s and potential mothers need sex-specific social support to ensure that their reproductive role does not disadvantage them financially and socially.

"It is essential that our society remains segregated by sex."

It is essential that the areas where males as a group are proven to pose a risk to females as a group either physically or due to social advantages retain sex-specific protections for women so that women have access to physical, political, cultural and economic power in their own right.

There, FTFY.

"Women are physically weaker, any ordinary male can easily beat an extraordinary woman"

How many sporting events do you think women would win if they were all mixed sex?

boysvswomen.com/#/

"It is essential that our society remains segregated by sex."

Do you think prisons should be mixed sex?

Can you post some links to where feminists have argued for sports and prisons to be mixed sex?

"Women are physically weaker, any ordinary male can easily beat an extraordinary woman"
"Women are defined by their capacity to give birth"
"It is essential that our society remains segregated by sex."

You believe in things that feminists have historically fought against. Do you really think it's a coincidence your views on trans issues are largely backed by anti-feminist social conservatives?

BlueBerrySnek can I ask, have YOU looked at the evidence from the Tavistock review? Have you read the Dr steemsma report? What about the work of abigail shrier? Kathleen stock?

If you like YouTube, they have all done videos, easy to search up. Have a look at them, then come back.....

[quote BlueBerrySnek]@AssassinatedBeauty
The fact that the only thing you can find in my post to discredit is a grammar issue, tells me that I won the argument. If my source is unreliable then please by all means give me a source that says that trans people do not have that high of a suicide rate[/quote]
I believe that Kathleen stock, abigsil shrier and Helen Joyce have all looked into these claims for their investigations into the phenomenon of a hugely increased rate of teenage girls identifying as transgender and seeking treatment.

They all found that suicide ideation is higher after transition than prior. Kind of proves transition is not a very effective cure for body dysphoria. It could be transphobia that causes it..... But more likely, the evidence out of the Tavistock review, from Dr David Bell and Marcus Evans, suggests that it was not appropriate treatment for many patients and they were distraught at what they were left dealing with.

According to Dr Steensma's report, a smaller cohort were utterly dismayed to discover that after all the irreversible treatment they had been through they were not, in fact, after all, the opposite sex.

That is the danger of TWAW/ TMAM, no debate.

Firstly, the steady trickle of detransitioners that started a few years ago is growing - they are much more vocal, telling their stories, taking court action. They are everywhere, and this is just the start, there will be many more. It is really irresponsible to ignore them.

Secondly, Marcus Evans who was one of the original Tavistock whistle blowers talks about how he doubts this figure from his work in mental health A&E that spanned decades. I think I trust his credentials.

As well as the credentials of Dr Steensma who mentioned the increased rate of detransitioners in his report which led to the banning of puberty blockers in Finland.

You will have to do better than denying the existence, and importance, of detransitioners.

How to explain to a True Believer that what they see as these wonderful shiny new ideas, I just see as the same old patriarchal shit wrapped up in shiny paper?

No, I don’t want a bite of your shit sandwich, no matter how many frilly ribbons you’ve put on it. It’s still a shit sandwich.

Word

Before I leave I'd like to refer you to a channel on youtube called "Jammidodger"

I'll pass. What's next? Contrapoints? Riley J Dennis?

You "educate" people by making reasoned arguments and providing evidence to back up any specific claims. Then you listen to people's responses to that, questioning any weaknesses or illogical reasoning, and then respond with further clarifications or thoughts to counter. And so on until an understanding of each other's viewpoints is reached.

This should be pinned on the top of every thread...it might save everyone a bit of time!

I don't want to force my viewpoint on you, but if that opinion is absurd to you I pity you.

You "educate" people by making reasoned arguments and providing evidence to back up any specific claims. Then you listen to people's responses to that, questioning any weaknesses or illogical reasoning, and then respond with further clarifications or thoughts to counter. And so on until an understanding of each other's viewpoints is reached.

@AssassinatedBeauty has hit it on the head here.

But! But! I have shiny new ideas! Shiny new ideas GOOD! Surely you want them? How can you not??

How to explain to a True Believer that what they see as these wonderful shiny new ideas, I just see as the same old patriarchal shit wrapped up in shiny paper?

No, I don’t want a bite of your shit sandwich, no matter how many frilly ribbons you’ve put on it. It’s still a shit sandwich.

I would like to see the source for PP's claim of a 1% detransition rate, please.

I believe it is you who needs educating, BlueBerrySnek. The ideas you adhere to and promote are ideas I see as deeply misogynistic and homophobic, and those are “values” I don’t share and actively reject.

Many women here (myself included) will have watched JammieDodger and are as unimpressed with that person as they are with you.

I know it’s a shock to you but we don’t subscribe to your (misogynistic, homophobic) religion. Not many people outside your echo chamber do.