Does anyone ever wonder how this will end?

Yup. And it would help us all if this board did not impose additional restrictions by banning useful words.

Mtf transgender is useful, if that gets round the deletion problem I will use it (thx @highame )

The linguistic contortions we are forced into by gender ideologues are just ridiculous but the majority still believe that sex is real and important and I don’t think we’ll get beyond that. We’ll always need to communicate about it. If our current sex based words become warped in meaning and/or taboo I imagine that 5 years from now we’ll be referring to people as cocks and cunts and hopefully there will be measures in place to protect the cunts from the cocks…

Queer theory will fail, words don’t change material reality. Words can reflect and direct the focus of our attention and our values however…

Male(s) who identify as trans.

Female(s) who identify as trans.

People who identify as trans is my preferred terminology, when I am thinking about it. Then to be more specific prostate people who identify as trans or something similar so we know which sex we are talking about without using “offensive” words like man or woman.

Suppose we give you woman . But we sort the mess out, clarifying the law, calling things like England's adult human male/female football team, adult human female toilets

Any better?

Fundamental mistake in this suggestion. Transwomen are already described as female, mother, daughter, girl etc.

There is no way to only give up the word woman.

And that isn't wanted anyway. How can a man get validation as a woman if there's nothing labelled woman for them to take part in? They need women's groups and sports to validate themselves.

The only time they don't want the word woman used is when it's actually about something specific to women, e.g. giving birth, then the words woman and mother must be removed.

I'll give the TRAs one thing, they definitely understand the power of language.

Sad, but probably true that unless men notice we will likely lose this one Men have already noticed. In opinion surveys, they are part of the demographic answering questions like trans woman without an op in female places with an emphatic 'No'. At the moment they're not asked because they feel women should be the ones speaking out but just look at comments (e.g. in the Times) and you will find a good percentage of men. We are not the only ones who want single sex spaces

Also MtF (Male to Female) transgender was given to me by a MNetter as an acceptable term without using the word woman (I just forget to use it)

Oh and don't all yell that woman isn't mine to give

What I am attempting to show is it's not the word but the meaning that matters

And whilst we have a clear meaning for the word woman today , change it in an undefined way and it's useless and doesn't change the fact that sexes are different snd only one needs smear tests

So you are basically saying that unless we agree that transwomen are women we are not respecting them?

Respect is all about the words used not what you can do in life ?

Suppose we give you woman . But we sort the mess out, clarifying the law, calling things like England's adult human male/female football team, adult human female toilets

Any better?

@CuriousPanda
Let's not play dumb, we both know exactly what the intent is behind you persistently trying to mash "trans women" into a single word

Sigh. You’ve repeatedly written “trans women” as two words and people have politely ignored it but you need to be called out on it and do better. Writing “trans women” is misogynistic. When you’re called out, apologise, listen to women and do better next time.

It’s a micro aggression. It insidiously implies that trans women are women. Transwomen are transwomen. Transwomen is the word you need for male sexed people who are trans. Not women. A seahorse is not a horse. A bluebottle is not a bottle.

Stop being misogynistic please.

I will not use the tw word

I will not call a man a woman

Ever

trying to mash "trans women" into a single word.

Because “trans woman” as two words makes some people think it is a woman “transitioning to a male identity.”

This is the problem when you take words like “woman” which have meaning in law and try and mash them to mean something else.

You surely must agree misgendering is awful?

I'm surprised if you don't.

I am very careful not to misgendering as it is reason for deletion. And gets threads off topic usually when it's done.

Since when do you even have an issue with misgendering? You've been persistently misgendering trans women all this time.

And your misgendering?

That's a macro aggression surely?

'Lol. You can't even mention trans women without sneaking in transphobic microaggressions'

And yet you are comfortable calling posters cis even if they do not identify as cis.

I just can't read these threads anymore. Being accused of being transphobic is not something I want.

I fear this will get worse before it gets better.

The whole world is a transphobic microagression.

@Imasoulman I for one am very grateful for men like you who help us fight for our own safe spaces. I hold no hostility towards you and I'm thankful for what you've done/do. We need more like you. Thank you.

@CuriousPanda Yes, it's almost like a male chemical hormone called....TESTOSTERONE 'doesn't' create increased muscle mass and strength in men....

smh

It's no.3 all the way.

"A foolish man built his house upon the sand."

I am pessimistic.

Male sex offenders in female estate, important stats on self id etc all done with zero consideration of women.

Our rights and norms have always been hard fought and are bestowed can be removed.

The position of women and girls here and round the world especially around sex offences should be a priority. It's just handwringing. Often 'women's issue' rather than societal issue. Awful things over and over that there are ways to tackle. Response is this is bad. Then nothing changes or they get worse.

So I'm pessimistic tbh.

If Karen thingy didn't cause outrage and immediate report and changes then that doesn't bode well.

Yes it is shit.

But to get back to the OP's question - how will it end?

Posy said recently "The pile of the broken bodies of children will soon be too high to ignore"

Perhaps this madness will all end when the detransitioners launch a class action (is that what it's called??) and sue the medical profession?