Question re relationships with trans people

Yes, I agree with that concern chickenyhead. Look at the furore in Scotland over Joann Lamont's amendment to the Forensic Medicine bill though, certain people knew it mattered whether gender or sex was used.

Worldwide, we all need to look to our languages/dialects, and change/insist on un-coupling "Sex" (male/female) from "sex" (the act of performing sexual acts)

I'll start with Scots n Gaelic.

(Joking. Scottish women are hard-core. I'm not treading on their toes.
They're like the Style n Beauty lot
#WomenWontWheesht)

What worries me, and I understand about the historical use of gender, is that they are no longer interchangeable.

Laws and policies are being written using these words, which it would appear most of society don't have a clue what it means.

Like the GG situation.

It is unfortunate that the word woman has be coopted in to gender. It should remain as transwomen or transman, as it is a Social construct, not biological.

Absolutely!

When people talk about guessing the gender of a baby, they are not being ignorant about the nature of gender identity. They are simply using the word gender as a polite synonym for sex. Because that was what most people did until about 10 years ago, and many people still do! They know perfectly well what they mean, they are just using a word for it which some people have decided means something else entirely.

Yes, exactly.

#PoliteSociety

But gender doesn't become relevant until the child becomes an adult and chooses an identity.

And then they can change it every day if they like. Because it isn't a thing. When people talk about guessing the gender of a baby, they are not being ignorant about the nature of gender identity. They are simply using the word gender as a polite synonym for sex. Because that was what most people did until about 10 years ago, and many people still do! They know perfectly well what they mean, they are just using a word for it which some people have decided means something else entirely.

Well it is currently used for both, which is where the confusion comes from. But the aren't exchangeable.

Everyone has a sex. Male, female (intersex being more difficult to assign on sight alone).

One can choose to have a gender, or not. I don't.

It is unfortunate that the word woman has be coopted in to gender. It should remain as transwomen or transman, as it is a Social construct, not biological.

ShortBacknSides

Yes!

And thrice yes!!

As a hererosexual female, i wouldnt be sexually attracted to a transman no matter how masculine they looked and its not just about the genitals. Neither would i be attracted to a trans woman even if they looked very masculine because i would not find the imitation of femininity or stereotyoes very attractive. However i have dated men in make up and androgynous clothes

My position too, @Flapjak It's not transphobic, it's just how I am. As is my gay brother who was born that way. And so on.

There seems to be some confusion between some posters about there being a difference between sex (and therefore protected characteristics of sexual orientation and sex based on biological facts) and gender (based on a societal structure and covered as a protected characteristic of gender reassignment).

Of course there's confusion. What does the word 'woman' mean, chickenyhead? Does it mean adult human female... or person who has a female 'gender identity'?

Gender Reassignment as a protected Characteristic protects men (males) from being discriminated against in relation to other males.

It's important to say this @PurpleHoodie isn't it. I think a lot of TW and TM think that the EA means that
Gender Reassignment as a protected Characteristic protects men (males) who transition, from being discriminated against in relation to women.

Still can't change your sex.

'Till the day you die.

Un-coupling Sex, from Gender - language wise - is very much needed.

It will happen.

#DressHowever

Even on this site there are millions of posts about guessing the gender of a baby.

You can't.

You can guess sex.

But gender doesn't become relevant until the child becomes an adult and chooses an identity.

Sexual Orientation as a Protected Characteristic protects those from discrimination for those who are same-SEX (sexually oriented).

Sexual Orientation as a Protected Characteristic protects those from discrimination from those who are same-SEX (sexually oriented).

MRAs n TRAs want to tear apart all of these Rights.

Bit silly.

Sex as a Protected Characteristic provides Protection against discrimination for those based on their Sex.

Female, or male.

It's quite reasonable that this confusion occurs, as what gender means isn't clearly defined anywhere and is defined differently by different people and organisations. I think it's a huge part of the problem and would like to put clear blue water between sex and "gender".

Gender Reassignment as a Protected Characteristic protects women (females) from being discrimated against in a comparison to other females.

Gender Reassignment as a protected Characteristic protects men (males) from being discriminated against in relation to other males.

The EA provides for same-sex provision regardless of any other factors.

There seems to be some confusion between some posters about there being a difference between sex (and therefore protected characteristics of sexual orientation and sex based on biological facts) and gender (based on a societal structure and covered as a protected characteristic of gender reassignment).

The two are and need to remain entirely separate.

Floral

There are words Eresh for those type of people.

What an odd thread.

What's difficult to understand about a lesbian stating, categorically, that she isn't remotely interested in a person who has, or had male genitals? Vice versa for a gay man. Or a straight person saying they are not at all interested in a partner who has the same undercarriage arrangement as them? Or a bisexual person being very clear that they are still permitted to retain firm boundaries around their sexual and romantic choice or partner?

What kind of person are you if you try to coerce or persuade any of these people that the need to rethink their orientation?

I do not have a gender identity, I am not cis.

I am a woman by sex characteristics.

They must NOT compel false speech from anyone else.