Question re relationships with trans people

What is it that makes you a man Barheim?

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And eternal thanks to @PurpleHoodie for the Clownfish vid. I'm in lurve ...

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4290007-Clownfish

But...clownfish.

The current study sought to describe the demographic characteristics of individuals who are willing to consider a transgender individual as a potential dating partner. Participants (N = 958) from a larger study on relationship decision-making processes were asked to select all potential genders that they would consider dating if ever seeking a future romantic partner. The options provided included cisgender men, cisgender women, trans men, trans women, and genderqueer individuals. Across a sample of heterosexual, lesbian, gay, bisexual, queer, and trans individuals, 87.5% indicated that they would not consider dating a trans person, with cisgender heterosexual men and women being most likely to exclude trans persons from their potential dating pool. Individuals identifying as bisexual, queer, trans, or non-binary were most likely to indicate a willingness to date a trans person.

journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0265407518779139

I wonder why that is @Ereshkigalangcleg Evidence can be so pesky can't it ... ?

@HerrenaHarridan the term 'cis' is not used here. Please read the guidelines.

I wasn't claiming this as 'evidence' - just reporting some real life gay male responses ...

I'm the only one here who has posted any non-anecdotal evidence on this thread to support my position, which Herrena seems to have missed.

Thank goodness gay men have these hetero middle class cis women

There's a whole world of assumptions in this post.

I've asked various of my gay male friends about this, and one of them said to me quite bluntly "No, it's about cock for me."

Maybe do a poll on Twitter? A YouGov survey? "Gay Men: is it about cock, or are you equally happy with vadge?"

Now that what passes for evidence round here is it?

I wasn't claiming this as 'evidence' - just reporting some real life gay male responses ...

‘And what about people who are looking to procreate with their chosen partner, being fully transitioned isn't going to help there‘

So did you do a fertility check before getting with your partner?
Would it be a dealbreaker for you to leave a partner you loved?

You don’t have to be attracted to anyone you aren’t attracted to.

Except that, at the moment, there is HUGE and growing pressure to bully & coerce lesbians into accepting transwomen as women, and abusing them when they say they are same-sex attracted.

This adds to the demoralising (and illegal) lesbophobia already experienced by many lesbian women.

And it's rapey as fuck.

‘And a functioning penis? I'm sorry but I really don't believe many gay men used to having sex with other gay men would be satisfied by having sex with a trans man, nope, sorry, don't believe it. Easy to say I would, actually doing it, routinely, consistently, nope.‘

‘I've asked various of my gay male friends about this, and one of them said to me quite bluntly "No, it's about cock for me."

Now that what passes for evidence round here is it?

Pretending you’re know what gay men want... presumably all the gay men you know would ditch a cis partner of they developed erectile dysfunction?

Having a male partner with erectile dysfunction is nothing like having a female partner, is it?

Here we go again

Ffs people make me feel sick sometimes

Yes I’ve dated trans people.

Wasn’t a big deal.

You don’t have to be attracted to anyone you aren’t attracted to.
You can be attracted to someone and then decide that attraction isn’t enough and you aren’t compatible

Wether it’s their ambition, their inability to answer messages on your time frame, their desire or not for a family, the weight they’ve put on... whatever

Just be clear and move on

You don’t have to invent all these scenarios to get offended about

Pretending you’re know what gay men want... presumably all the gay men you know would ditch a cis partner of they developed erectile dysfunction?

Personally I really want to be with partner who see me as more than my genitals

Compelled speech goes both ways.

Yes, so I imagine if I call an MTF trans person a man they will call me out on it, no? So I'm going to point out that "cis" is not a universally accepted term for people like me.

I'm heterosexual so would immediately exclude all females including Transmen. It then comes down to what I find attractive or not. Men performing femininity is not attractive at all to me so that would exclude Transwomen. I would also exclude many other males for reasons of appearance. Rockers or Goths for example. Just not my thing. I would never exclude a different race as I often find men of different races attractive.

And a functioning penis? I'm sorry but I really don't believe many gay men used to having sex with other gay men would be satisfied by having sex with a trans man, nope, sorry, don't believe it.

I've asked various of my gay male friends about this, and one of them said to me quite bluntly "No, it's about cock for me."