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Question re relationships with trans people

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2021ismyyear · 12/07/2021 19:04

Twitter is full of people that are prepared to defend trans rights at any cost. I’ve seen some hideous things written about people that believe otherwise. The insults against jk Rowling were hard to read. We saw it the other day when maya won her appeal case. People over ran social media with insults against “TERFS” etc.

I assume these people would have zero issue dating a trans person in that case? If trans women are women and sex doesn’t matter and it’s widely accepted that you can switch gender, then will those people start dating trans people? Will we see more women dating trans men for example? Will tinder do away with any search filters?

If not… why?

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/07/2021 00:04

Yes it is homophobic to pretend that a gay man is anything other than a male solely attracted to others of the same biological sex. The word for men attracted to both sexes is bisexual.

Wildgarlicpesto · 15/07/2021 00:04

I don't think people are too bothered about being labelled (yet again) as transphobic and invalidating by people describing same sex attraction as a pretence.

Barheim · 15/07/2021 00:04

So you are a man because "he" or "husband" or "guy".

No, but do keep playing the games I'm accused of playing.

dyslek · 15/07/2021 00:02

Your not gay.

CuriousPanda · 15/07/2021 00:02

@dyslek

Sorry Curious, you a someone who has such contempt for women you dont aknowledge child rape, you are beneith consideration in any debate.
Where are you getting the idea I "don't acknowledge child rape"...?
CuriousPanda · 15/07/2021 00:01

It is not homophobic to disagree with your transphobic, invalidating (both to trans people and to trans-inclusive gay people) definitions of homosexuality.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/07/2021 00:01

It's not inaccurate wording to say that a gay man is a man attracted exclusively to other men.

Yes it is, if you are including people who are female in your description of "men".

dyslek · 15/07/2021 00:01

Sorry Curious, you a someone who has such contempt for women you dont aknowledge child rape, you are beneith consideration in any debate.

Wildgarlicpesto · 15/07/2021 00:01

So you are a man because "he" or "husband" or "guy".

Mmm. The sounds coming out of other people's mouths are your gender.

Well that's not very convincing.

Barheim · 15/07/2021 00:00

No, it's not homophobic to use accurate wording, as per the protected characteristic of sexual orientation. It is homophobic to deny the existence of exclusive same sex attraction, and imply everyone who isn't bisexual is bigoted.

It's not inaccurate wording to say that a gay man is a man attracted exclusively to other men.

I'd definitely say it's homophobic to minimize gay people to legal definitions of what being gay is supposed to mean, as if the law hasn't historically been discriminatory to gay people to begin with.

Insisting I demand everyone's bisexual is very much putting words in my mouth and forcing a bad faith narrative, especially as I'm gay myself.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/07/2021 23:59

One cant escape the feeling that there are no good arguments on the genderist side, just childish games

Go with your gut, it isn't misleading you.

CuriousPanda · 14/07/2021 23:58

@dyslek

You are denying gay peoples existance, and that is violence.
You do that to trans people all the time, and yet you wouldn't call that violence at all.
dyslek · 14/07/2021 23:58

One cant escape the feeling that there are no good arguments on the genderist side, just childish games Sad

Barheim · 14/07/2021 23:57

@dyslek

Not really. Just looks like someone trying to evade a reasonable question. Sorry.
I'm not interested in dealing with sea lions.
Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/07/2021 23:57

It's homophobic to insist gay people aren't gay, insisting you know their sexuality better than them. It's homophobic to act you're the sexuality police and you get to dictate who can and can't be what sexuality based on you forcing your beliefs on others.

No, it's not homophobic to use accurate wording, as per the protected characteristic of sexual orientation. It is homophobic to deny the existence of exclusive same sex attraction, and imply everyone who isn't bisexual is bigoted.

dyslek · 14/07/2021 23:56

Not really. Just looks like someone trying to evade a reasonable question. Sorry.

Barheim · 14/07/2021 23:54

What is a gender?

not
/nɒt/
adverb
used with an auxiliary verb or ‘be’ to form the negative.
"he would not say"

discuss
/dɪˈskʌs/
verb
talk about (something) with a person or people.
"I discussed the matter with my wife"

this
/ðɪs/
determiner
1.
used to identify a specific person or thing close at hand or being indicated or experienced.
"don't listen to this guy"

Hope that helps!

dyslek · 14/07/2021 23:53

Not erasing anyone. Claiming an identity that is not yours is generally considered offensive.
Oli London anyone.

dyslek · 14/07/2021 23:52

People will assume you are not discussing it as there is not really any plausale answer that would be commonly understood?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/07/2021 23:51

My lesbian friend who is married to a trans woman isn't bi, though. She's a lesbian. She doesn't fancy men. She has never fancied men. But she is attracted to her wife, who she has never thought of as a man.

Reality would suggest otherwise. We don't have to agree with your friend that her partner's sex is not what it is, like you don't have to agree with my lesbian friends that gender ideology is ripping their community apart.

Barheim · 14/07/2021 23:51

She bi as the word lesbian is a woman who is only attracted to woman.

The group of people very eager to cry 'lesbian erasure' very much do love to erase lesbians, don't they?

dyslek · 14/07/2021 23:51

@Barheim

Barheim, what is it that makes you a man?

My gender, hope that helps, not discussing this.

What is a gender?
dyslek · 14/07/2021 23:49

But her partner is a man (an adult human male), thats what trans woman means, you have to be male to be a trans woman, so she is bi.

dyslek · 14/07/2021 23:48

She bi as the word lesbian is a woman who is only attracted to woman.

dyslek · 14/07/2021 23:47

No one is saying they know anyones sexuality better than them but we do know what words mean.
If you are going to gaslight do it better.

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