Question re relationships with trans people

Come on. Have a little think.

Rack your memory for things you know about heterosexual men and lesbians and how a fair minority of the former think of the latter when it comes to sex...

I don’t have Twitter so maybe I have not seen the extremes on there, I am certainly not sending death threats to jkr.
I’m sure there are “trans allies” who are disingenuous and just want to seem “right on” or whatever. But I also think they’re are a lot of people like me who think trans people face a lot of discrimination.

What are you on about “male transwoman”?
Simply describing the sex class of this group. Transwomen are male human beings.

It's an extremely easy way to virtue signal at absolutely no personal cost.

Oh no @BlueberryCheezecake, you missed my next post, I know that can happen when you get involved in a thread.
I'll post my question again

What is 'trans equality'? What rights do trans people not have?

There is much, much proof, that misogynistic men use the 'debate' as an excuse to be abusive to women. Follow some of the GC accounts on twitter. There's a huge amount of evidence. Also plenty of men spouting TWAW who have a posting history which reveals their lack of respect for the LGBT community.

No evidence? At all? Anywhere? Ever?

What rights do trans people not have in the U.K. @BlueberryCheezecake?

Given the amount of transphobic abuse many so called trans allies have directed towards transwomen in the past, I find it unlikely that they believe transwomen are women. However, maybe they have all had a road to Damascus moment and are all now true believers, rather than jumping on the latest virtue signalling band wagon

'What on earth do you think would motivate someone to stand up for trans equality on twitter if they didn't actually believe it? '

As PP asked, what things are being stood up for?

As to why people (esp blokes) would do that if they didn't believe it... You must be able to think of some reasons!

But there's no evidence of this supposed hypocrisy. Nor is there a convincing argument that it even is hypocritical, because, once again, you can support the rights of a minority without wanting to fuck all or any of them. It's honestly creepy this weird insistence that you can't support trans people unless you'd fuck one.

And the fact is, plenty of people do date trans people, or would if they met one they clicked with. Why you'd assume none of those people are also some of the same people who spend time on twitter talking about trans rights is bizarre. This entire thread is just a made up scenario that seems to be supposed to be some kind of gotcha.

'Trans equality'? what does that mean?

Which rights do trans people not have in your opinion?

' fully transitioned they will have breasts and vagina so surely it makes sense for these people to go to a women’s refuge?'

Your view here is out of step with mainstream and accepted approach.

Gender presentation is irrelevant.
Gender ID is what matters.
To suggest someone who identifies as a woman should change how they look or dress is terrible as how women look should not be policed.

Something to think about there.

And from my perspective.
Breasts and vaginas are complex organs. You can have implants/ surgical alternation but the end result on a male is not the same as the organs that female humans have.
This idea is dangerous for trans people as it promises something that can't be delivered, and also reduces complex female organs to what they look like and ignores their functions.

What if they haven't.

What if it's a male body with penis and balls who identifies as a woman and wants to date men?

What OP is saying is that many of those men hurling rape and death threats at women like J K Rowling in the name of trans allies, would not actually have a sexual relationship with a woman with a penis because they don't think that's what a woman's body is.

Just like a gay man would not have sex with a transman with a vagina. Yet feels it's ok to abuse women who have the temerity to say there is a difference between the biological male body and the biological female body.

It's hypocritcial. That's the point of the thread.

[quote dyslek]@BlueberryCheezecake
Oh no you seem to have missed my post that explains what the OP is saying, here it is again

The OPs point is that many, possibly most, of the people testicularly screaming at women for not agreeing that twaw dont actually believe it themselfs.
Its a mantra that the movement demands be repeted (but not actually believed).
Another example thats even funnier of the non belief of the true believers is the irony that if tw were actually w, no one would really give a shit about them.

Your welcome.[/quote]
This really doesn't clear things up. Nor does it make sense. What on earth do you think would motivate someone to stand up for trans equality on twitter if they didn't actually believe it? There's no movement that has the power to compel this, that's pure conspiracy theory. And it just seems a convenient way to dismiss a group of people you don't agree with, to just pretend they can't possibly believe what they say, even though there's no reason on earth they'd have to say it if they didn't believe it.

@BlueberryCheezecake
Oh no you seem to have missed my post that explains what the OP is saying, here it is again

The OPs point is that many, possibly most, of the people testicularly screaming at women for not agreeing that twaw dont actually believe it themselfs.
Its a mantra that the movement demands be repeted (but not actually believed).
Another example thats even funnier of the non belief of the true believers is the irony that if tw were actually w, no one would really give a shit about them.

Your welcome.

What does a stereotypical woman look like?

And why would that mean that they would be what. More likely to be in a relationship with a lesbian or straight man then those who don't look stereotypical?

That's a hell of a high bar.
It's also iffy because looking like a stereotype of either sex does not automatically mean you're more likely to be attractive.
The idea that full transition will improve your dating prospects I think is s really poor message. The surgery is massive and risky. Undergoing all that should not be encouraged by suggesting it's going to make you more likely to get a partner.

*Same reason anyone else goes to a refuge. Because they've been made homeless or been abused or raped or assaulted, and are seeking a place of safety.

Ok but why are they not in the male refuge as transwomen are male?