Question re relationships with trans people

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I can guarantee you there's no mention whatsoever of "the right to be same-sex attracted" prior to 2015, right around the time your anti-trans panic and weaponization of gay people began.'

2015??

Do you genuinely believe what you're typing?!

No, it wasn't about "the right to be same-sex attracted", it was about the right to freely love people of the same gender.

No. I'm not dignifying this nonsense with anything more.

I can guarantee you there's no mention whatsoever of "the right to be same-sex attracted" prior to 2015, right around the time your anti-trans panic and weaponization of gay people began.

It is, Ciao.

But they didn't need to fight for the right to love people of the opposite sex. That was already allowed. Weirdly enough gay people wanted to be allowed to love people of the opposite sex. That's what they were fighting for.
And homosexual literally means "same sex".
Christ. Its like arguing with a toddler who just makes shit up all the time.

Like Curious, the Iranians think that such a person would no longer be gay if they then had a relationship with a man, since they wouldn't be the 'same gender'.

I wonder if Curious views the Iranians as homophobic or enlightened?

Gay people fought for the right to freely love whoever they want to love.

No. They specifically fought for the right to be same sex attracted. It has nothing to do with gender identity ideology.

Again no dice.

Be straightforward.

You say that gay men never fought for same sex relationships to be legalised.

By implication that extends to the current laws in force around the world.

A male person being in a relationship with a female person does not and has not ever been illegal due to laws about homosexuality.

Anyway, it was claimed there is no evidence about trans dating pools. This is wrong (my bold):

The current study sought to describe the demographic characteristics of individuals who are willing to consider a transgender individual as a potential dating partner. Participants (N = 958) from a larger study on relationship decision-making processes were asked to select all potential genders that they would consider dating if ever seeking a future romantic partner. The options provided included cisgender men, cisgender women, trans men, trans women, and genderqueer individuals. Across a sample of heterosexual, lesbian, gay, bisexual, queer, and trans individuals, 87.5% indicated that they would not consider dating a trans person, with cisgender heterosexual men and women being most likely to exclude trans persons from their potential dating pool. Individuals identifying as bisexual, queer, trans, or non-binary were most likely to indicate a willingness to date a trans person. However, even among those willing to date trans persons, a pattern of masculine privileging and transfeminine exclusion appeared, such that participants were disproportionately willing to date trans men, but not trans women, even if doing so was counter to their self-identified sexual and gender identity (e.g., a lesbian dating a trans man but not a trans woman).

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0265407518779139

'Ah yes, good old "but what if the trans person is closeted" argument.

Well in that case the world doesn't perceive them as trans and thus while there's no immediate danger of anti-trans abuse, being forced to continuously repress one's identity still makes a person's life miserable and is itself part of societal anti-trans abuse.

Same thing as repressed gay people.'

No dice.

Leave the goalposts where they were.

You said

'Gay people fought for the right to love people of the same gender, not for strictly defined "sex-based attraction" (which is a term that originated in conversion therapy language)'

Around the world right now people are being arrested imprisoned beaten imprisoned. The death penalty is the max penalty in some countries.

Society's repression of trans people isn't based on mind reading, it's based on continuous attempts to restrict and repress trans people's self-identification and self-expression, which what you people are continuously attempting.

Good night all.

Curious you have not responded to my post.

Do you honestly think that in Iran where homosexuality is illegal and can mean the death penalty,

That male people who have sex with female people can be at risk of execution if they both feel like men inside??!!

And where have I said I decide who does or doesn't qualify as a gay person?
You claimed that gay people fought for the right to be allowed same gender relationships. I merely pointed out that that isn't true of any of the gay people I know. They all fought for the right to have same sex relationships. Maybe they are doing gay wrong. 🤔

Curious out of interest. How do you think your posts will land with lurkers

In my experience the type of people who turn up here to school the mummies have no self awareness whatsoever. Unconvincing bluster is all they have.

It is transphobic to misgender and exclude trans people on the basis of their supposed "sex".

Sex and gender identity are two completely different things. Your sex can't change and unfortunately human sexualities are based on xex

Well in that case the world doesn't perceive them as trans and thus while there's no immediate danger of anti-trans abuse, being forced to continuously repress one's identity still makes a person's life miserable and is itself part of societal anti-trans abuse.

Same thing as repressed gay people.

Curious out of interest. How do you think your posts will land with lurkers?

Do you genuinely believe that Alan Turing would have been arrested and charged for having a sexual relationship with a female person who felt like a man inside?

Really??!!

No, I think genuine homophobia (i.e intolerance of men loving men and women loving women) is abhorrent also.

I just don't share your transphobic definitions of "man" and "woman".

To quote you from another thread just now:

"You seem to think preemptively claiming it's "offensive" to point out the glaring flaw in your definition somehow changes the fact that there's a glaring flaw in your definition."

It's not transphobic not to date/sleep with someone who has the same/different genitals to you. At all.
I, like my gay man friends, like dicks. So we only date men. That's not transphobic.

A transphobe primarily hangs out with other transphobes... This is supposed to be an argument or something?

It's anecdotal evidence, just like people on your side of the question have posted.

Are you going to answer any of my questions panda?

Do you believe that existing laws around the world about gay people are based on internal gender ID or sex?