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Scottish Government hiding GRA Consultation results

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MiladyBerserko · 11/07/2021 09:10

The Scottish Government conducted a Consultation which finished in March 2020, where they asked for responses to proposed changes to the Gender Recognition Act. They said these responses would be published. Now it seems, they are refusing to publish them and also, refuse to respond to FOI requests about it.

See this tweet which shows that the responses to another Consultation re. women's representation on public boards were largely concerned about the redefinition of the word 'women' and its impact on the legal rights of women and girls. This also appears not to have been published, although I need confirmation on this.

mobile.twitter.com/painteyhands/status/1413219892652875780

Questions:
Why is the Scottish Government backtracking on its promise to publish the GRA consultation?

How much did it cost to conduct a Consultation which they are now choosing to ignore?

Why are they permitted to ignore the results of a public consultation?

Am I naive to think they should be held to account?

Women and Girls in Scotland appear to be taking this forward. Good luck to them and I will be supporting them.

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DodoPatrol · 21/07/2021 13:10

I noticed this in Charlie's post:
A large proportion of the public continues to be unaware that these reform proposals exist and even if they know of their existence, few understand their implications for society in general and the rights of women in particular.

I found that doorstep campaigners didn't have the first clue that these policies were in their own manifesto either.

dementedma · 21/07/2021 09:23

Typical SNP behaviour. Everything is covered up. Yet more to be swept under the carpet.

Tibtom · 21/07/2021 09:17

Any organisation that is a member of Stonewall's champion scheme cannot be said to be independent in anyway for this purpose.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/07/2021 09:14

I think it may have even been done by Nat Cen, whose CEO then is now the CEO of Stonewall.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/07/2021 09:12

The "independent analysis" of the English GRA consultation was biased and loaded.

PurpleHoodie · 21/07/2021 07:46

Yes.

MiladyBerserko · 20/07/2021 01:25

They said they would publish the responses, not just analysis. The public should see the responses, not the carving up of women's testimonies for political means.

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Waitwhat23 · 19/07/2021 16:40

First email I have had back which wasn't a holding reply. Still not a great deal further forward though -

'The Scottish Government report that there is no timescale for the publication of results of the GRA consultation due to dealing with Covid as priority. But they say they are now arranging for the consultation responses to be independently analysed and will publish the analysis report in due course.'

In my initial email, I had been very clear that I understood that there would be inevitable delays due to COVID but asked for an approximate idea of when the analysis report would be published.

Rhannion · 16/07/2021 20:35

We are not going to let them away with this, we need to tell as many people as possible what is going, tell the men and women in your lives what is at stake here. It’s ypur mothers, sisters, daughters, grandchildren’s safety they are messing with and we can’t let this happen.

PurpleHoodie · 16/07/2021 15:07

Yes.

Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 16/07/2021 14:52

FFS I swear it gets worse they just keep doubling down.

PurpleHoodie · 16/07/2021 14:07

Thank you.

We believe this is a serious failure of due process.

It is!

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 16/07/2021 13:55

Update from Women and Girls in Scotland:
twitter.com/WG_Scotland/status/1416011674495107073?s=19

Shona Robison, Cabinet Secretary for Social Justice, Housing and Local Government, is taking over the Ministerial remit for reforming the GRA in Scotland, and the government officials that have worked on GRA reform for the last four years will no longer be involved.

In case it is of interest, @mbmpolicy has listed some of Shona's previous comments regarding trans inclusion in women's spaces here: t.co/SdGZiq913s

The Scottish Government has confirmed it will now consider whether to publish individual responses to the GRA Bill consultation, but it has not yet provided a date for publication of its consultation report and organisational responses.

The Scottish Government also told us it didn't include the findings of our Female Only Provision Report, found here: t.co/uZO6Ofhy4u, as evidence of the need for single sex spaces in the GRA Bill consultation, because the report did not come up in its literature search.

However the government already had our report & had discussed it with us, & yet nonetheless claimed in the consultation not to know of any evidence showing women need spaces away from males, regardless of how they identify. We believe this is a serious failure of due process.

PurpleHoodie · 14/07/2021 21:32

Scotland is FAST becoming the local area "Canada" of nonsense.

And local pockets of North England: and South Coast England.

This is NOT a good thing for anyone who has battled for Protections under the EA UK Act.

PurpleHoodie · 14/07/2021 21:00
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Waitwhat23 · 14/07/2021 20:57

Have received a holding email from one MSP regarding my questions about when the analysis report will be published - will update when I hear more

PurpleHoodie · 14/07/2021 20:09
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PurpleHoodie · 14/07/2021 18:01

Bump.

OllyBJolly · 14/07/2021 07:58

Thanks @Rhannion

Rhannion · 14/07/2021 02:20

I would think it was Twitter Olly

OllyBJolly · 14/07/2021 00:18

@Glinner

I'll send to both. Speaking of which, Wings told me that the order to ban both of us from Twitter came from the London offices. I really want more people to know that.
@Glinner - London offices of who? SNP MPs? Twitter HQ?
Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/07/2021 15:41

(My bold)

The Gender Recognition Act 2004 is a law written by the Labour Party.

GRA Reform efforts were instigated by the Conservative Party in 2016, who accepted wholesale only the arguments of the pro-self-id side made during its Transgender Equality Inquiry in 2015.

It took Theresa May to (inadvertently) save women's sex-based rights in 2017 when she dissolved parliament. Because in 2016, as a result of that Transgender Equality Inquiry, Maria Miller (CON) as sponsor and supported by Jess Phillips (LAB) brought a Private Members Bill named the Gender Identity (Protected Characteristic) Bill

A Bill to make gender identity a protected characteristic under the Equality Act 2010 in place of gender reassignment and to make associated provision for transgender and other persons; and for connected purposes.

Amongst other things, connected purposes included abolishing the sex-based exemptions for all purposes for all those who had a GRC under the GRA 2004, and there is now no way to discern whether this would have then also applied to all those who gained a GRC under the reformed GRA as proposed. (Various statements made at the time and since made by the Bill's supporters leads me to believe that they intended to disapply the sex-based exceptions from all those who self-identified as the opposite sex, which for all intents and purposes means abolishing them.)

The Bill passed its first stage reading in December 2016, but thanks to Ms May it fell when she dissolved parliament in April 2017.

Which gave those who even back then understood the implications of this reform just enough time to marshall women's rights campaigners and concerned women and men from all over the UK. So when the GRA reform plans were revisited under the new parliament in 2017, which occasioned a public consultation that closed in 2018, it resulted in a large number of feminist submissions opposing the plans. Since then, the movement to defend and uphold women's sex-based rights under the Equality Act 2010 has grown too large to be ignored.

Important history lesson for all of us in Scotland and other U.K. nations, great post Charlie.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 13/07/2021 12:57

@Waitwhat23

Have just written to all my MSP's. A useful website for doing this is www.writetothem.com in case anyone wants to do the same.
Thank you Wait - much appreciated.
Waitwhat23 · 12/07/2021 21:07

Have just written to all my MSP's. A useful website for doing this is www.writetothem.com in case anyone wants to do the same.

Lifeinthelastlane · 12/07/2021 20:39

The only party I could vote for that didn't support self id was the conservatives, and I couldn't go that far.
It's not only the SNP who don't know what a woman is.