Milli Hill: I will not be silenced

From Birthrights' statement:

"As reported, in November Milli posted comments on social media disputing that obstetric violence could happen to trans or non-binary people."

www.birthrights.org.uk/2021/07/12/birthrights-response-to-article-published-in-the-sunday-times/

Birthrights didn't pile on to anyone. They released a statement

They made a possibly defamatory smear against her in that statement by saying that she disputed obstetric violence could happen to trans people. She did not.

Not true. Women can be used alongside non-binary, trans man, birthing partner etc. Whatever extra language that some people require can be added to a sentence that includes women as opposed to scrubbing the word woman and adding lots of new words that are meant to apply to females but don’t.

And that's exactly what birthrights does.

love how wanting to use accurate language about obstetrics is just semantics and hurts traumatized unspecific people, but telling lies to females about their bodies to the extent that if they're pregnant they don't think a birthing rights charity is relevant to them is tres inclusive

And that's why Birth rights says "women and Birthing people". Get it now?

Birthrights with all the vital work they need to do shouldn't really be self-indulgently whipping up further Twitter shit because they got called out on poor behaviour.

So you're against anyone arguing about semantics and what language might mean, if there's a chance that the other party might be traumatised?

The people that birthrights helps are already traumatized. By birth. So yeah, you can pretty safely assume that the other side will be traumatized.

I love how wanting to use accurate language about obstetrics is just semantics and hurts traumatized unspecific people, but telling lies to females about their bodies to the extent that if they're pregnant they don't think a birthing rights charity is relevant to them is tres inclusive.

Please.

Woman = adult human female, the only people capable of getting pregnant and giving birth.

Women get pregnant, women give birth.

Call yourself what you like, "identify" how you want.

Don't fuck about with biologically meaningful terms.

The lives of traumatized people are not a battleground to argue about semantics around gender.

So you're against anyone arguing about semantics and what language might mean, if there's a chance that the other party might be traumatised?

"Because these people know perfectly well what a woman actually is, whatever their ideology claims."

And there you go again.

How does the non binary person know that they will be helped, if birthrights only says women?
You're going to have to give a bit more information about this specific scenario here.
You're talking about someone who's pregnant and has seen a poster? Or is involved with regular maternity care?
I'll try and guess what a fictional person might know, in the spirit of debate, but you'll have to give me more than that. Is English their first language?

Birthrights didn't pile on to anyone. They released a statement saying they didn't want to work with milli any more. If the things she's said may put off transmen and non binary people from seeking help, then of course that's what they have to do. The lives of traumatized people are not a battleground to argue about semantics around gender.

How does the non binary person know that they will be helped, if birthrights only says women?

Because these people know perfectly well what a woman actually is, whatever their ideology claims.

Suggesting" something which literally no-one has said isn't a great indicator that you're here in good faith.

It's pretty much what Birthrights implied, that not believing in gender identity ideology means you dismiss that trans people suffer obstetric violence or need help, when what is actually the case is that you recognise that this is exclusively a female issue.

*"Suggesting" something which literally no-one has said isn't a great indicator that you're here in good faith.

You give them the help they need. Obviously. That you need to ask is weird.*

How does the non binary person know that they will be helped, if birthrights only says women?

But as i said, the work that birthrights does is more important than milli's feelings.

I'll direct you to my earlier post:

A lot of charities and organisations do vital work. That isn't a free pass to do anything they like without censure.

You give them the help they need. Obviously. That you need to ask is weird.

To me it shows that theyre not getting drawn further in tbh. They've obviously got better things to do.

And the fact that they've had to close their social media shows that pile ons don't just go one way, doesn't it?

Perhaps they should get over their own "hurt feelings", and move on, rather than dramatically flounce from Twitter? Or does that only go one way?

Well, quite. But as i said, the work that birthrights does is more important than milli's feelings.

And the fact that they've had to close their social media shows that pile ons don't just go one way, doesn't it?

If you're indoctrinated, you might want to have a time out, tbh. Weird word to use.

Quite.

Yes. They had a right to work with other people and cease their work with Milli and tweet about it, Milli had a right to call them out on false statements and point out their shabby treatment of her, and people on Twitter have a right to challenge them if they don't agree with them, as an organisation.

Everyone has the right to speak. Milli isn't responsible for what people say on Twitter, is she?

If you're indoctrinated, you might want to have a time out, tbh. Weird word to use.